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[Rhossydd]

which is just plain wrong.

Not completely. You're assuming connection through a router and that isn't necessarily the case.
As I said "As ever with IT there's rarely a simple answer"

 

[RogerS]

which is just plain wrong.

Not completely. You're assuming connection through a router and that isn't necessarily the case.
As I said "As ever with IT there's rarely a simple answer"

Why can't you simply man up and admit that your statement was wrong? Rather than accept it and move on, you insist on bringing in red herrings to try and obfuscate the issue.

Your latest red herring, for example ..."You're assuming connection through a router and that isn't necessarily the case." So just how are you going to connect your computer to the internet without either a router (which does not send out the computer Mac address) or by using a mobile as a tethered 'router' (in which case, again your computer MAC address is hidden from the internet).

Man up.

 

[Rhossydd]

So just how are you going to connect your computer to the internet without either a router (which does not send out the computer Mac address)

Built in modem. People still use these.

There's no simple right/wrong answers. Suggesting anything different is wrong itself.

 

[RogerS]

So just how are you going to connect your computer to the internet without either a router (which does not send out the computer Mac address)

Built in modem. People still use these.

There's no simple right/wrong answers. Suggesting anything different is wrong itself.

Oh, stop wriggling, FFS and grow a pair. No skin off my nose as in future I simply apply the BS Meter at maximum to any posts you make.

 

[Noel]

So just how are you going to connect your computer to the internet without either a router (which does not send out the computer Mac address)

Built in modem. People still use these.

There's no simple right/wrong answers. Suggesting anything different is wrong itself.

Oh, stop wriggling, FFS and grow a pair. No skin off my nose as in future I simply apply the BS Meter at maximum to any posts you make.

RogerS- continued personal attacks against members and the use of bad language (no matter how abbreviated) will see you sanctioned. Fed up getting complaints about your posts.
If you are unable to discuss matters in a civil and temperate manner best just not get involved.

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

Your router MAC address is visible though to the internet but not individual computers on your network.

Do you really think it makes that much difference once your router/home is identified ?

Probably not - I just don't like reading rubbish 'facts'.

My understanding of the way identity is hidden over networks is as follows (in layman's terms):

Your router ie the one in your home that allows your broadband access essentially has "two sides"
1) An outward facing side that looks up the phone line and ultimately via your ISP's Gateway to the internet
2) An inward facing side that looks into your home network, these days that's usually wirelessly but it can equally be cabled with Ethernet (cat5,6 etc)

When you bowl into range of your wireless network with a device that's capable your device "see's" the network and asks the router for an ip address so it can be a valid address for information to be received and sent. Your router has a technology that allows it to "lease" temporary ip addresses to any such asking device. Once its agreed and allocated a leased ip address that device has an identity on your network. Most domestic routers have capacity to lease up to 255 ip addresses that typically range from 192.168.1.1 to same .255.

Those devices will include everything that's wireless (or Ethernet cabled and plugged in) like your printer, laptop, desktop, huddle, Xbox, PS3, iphone, any other phone, label printing gizmo etc etc ad nuaseum. It also includes any guests that enter your home and ask you for your NW password so they can logon.

Now, my understanding is that the ONLY thing the internet can see in your house is the ip address of your router ie the outward facing side of your router. It cant see any of the devices on your LAN. So it doesn't matter a jot what their motherboards or MAC addresses are because they're all masked by the router which is the outward facing aspect.

That topology is true of the entire Internet more or less so in the same vain....lets say my ISP is BT Internet. The router they have which mine is talking to will also have a range of IP addresses it can lease to. Mine's one of them and a bunch of other customers will be the others in the range. That will be an industrial strength rack mounted job in some refrigerated room somewhere that will have a lot more than 255 ip addresses under its belt but the principle remains the same. That router will in turn look upwards to another and so on and so fourth.

The point is that all devices on the inward side are "invisible" from the outward side which only see the ip address of the router.

That's my rudimentary understanding of the structure of the Internet. I don't know about the MAC addresses of phones but I suspect when on your LAN wirelessly they're invisible but clearly when on the internet through your phone carriers comms signal from a mast, they must necessarily have a visible ip address according to the exact principles discussed here.

 

[RogerS]

Bang on the money there Bob

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[Zeddedhed]

I connect to the internet using the power of The Force.

The only people I am vulnerable to are Sith Lords.

 

[Rhossydd]

I can't be bothered to wade through the whole issue, but just have a quick Google and you'll see it's not as simple as you'd like to believe.
Easily found were;
http://superuser.com/questions/54844/ca ... 4863#54863
and
http://superuser.com/questions/243669/h ... using-ipv6
"On my Macs, each IPv6 address includes the MAC address of a specific computer (not of my router). Sites such as ipv6-test.com not only show it, but even tell me it belongs to an Apple computer."

 

[mseries]

But IPv6 isn't prevalent at the moment.

NB ROB your 16 bit router can lease 65536 ip addresses in the range 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 if you want. 20 bit and 24 bit, far more see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network

it's never as simple as it looks,

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

I should have just gone fishing this afternoon!!

 

[Rhossydd]

But IPv6 isn't prevalent at the moment.

Most fibre router supplied now are IPv6 compliant and many have been for some time.

it's never as simple as it looks,

My point exactly.

 

[mseries]

not many UK ISPs have rolled out IPv6 though