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Thats going to be a fine workshop :) Very interesting for me as I am building a workshop at the moment too, your a little bit in front of me, I only have the base done so, walls are my next job.

Just out of interest why have you put DPC between the timber base and walls?
 
Well done, it looks good so far, I find it very interesting watching these projects develop. Keep up the good work
GT
 
Dave, if you haven't already had a look at my 22x12 workshop, might be worth it :-

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/view ... hp?t=15651


I've literally just finished putting the final touches to my shop, i.e. painted the inside and started to build the cabinets along the sides. If you'll bear with me, there are a few lessons I learned along the way that might help you.

As you'll see from the photos, the whole thing sits on a breeze block wall, with 4 air vents in. I didn't bother putting insulation underneath the 22mm chipboard flooring. I have holes for electric sockets in the floor, and when lifted, there's a force-9 gale, which I'm actually glad about as it means there's plenty of veltilation to keep everything nice and dry.

Even though there's no insulation under the floor, an oil-filled radiator on it's lowest setting is plenty to keep the shop cosy. That's because I spent a lot of time any money insulating the walls (120mm wool) and roof (70mm compressed wool) as much as I could afford.

I made the mistake of putting a vapour barrier on the outside, trapping the moisture in the wall. To counteract this, I then had to put another vapour barrier on the inside, with the insulation in between. Although this obviously helps with thermal and sound insulation, it's probably a time bomb. If I don't move in the next 5 years, I'll think about taking the shiplap off and removing the external barrier.

The underside of the roof is clad with tongue and groove pine. I didn't treat these in any way, again down to time and cost, so hopefully everything will expand and contract uniformally. Again, there's an air gap between the ply roof and the insulation, allowing plenty of air movement, and all that nasty condensation to be sucked out :)

The walls are then clad with 18mm chipboard, mainly because I wanted something I could physically hang units from, and to help with the sound proofing. After some filler and a couple of coats of paint, it's really looking pucker.

You can see from my pics that I managed to pick up 4 double glazed windows from under £100. Those on the 'public' side of my shop now have sticky-back frosting on to keep out prying eyes, while still letting in most of the light.

You say that you want to go for skylights rather than windows - is this for security or wall space. I would highly recommend getting as many windows in as you feel you can - it really does make a difference to how the room 'feels' and will make it a joy to work in. I made the SWMBO as bird table for Christmas, which sits about 6 feet from the window, so I can sit and watch the squirrels on the table whilst waiting for my glue-ups.

Part of my planning permission stated I has to paint the outside in a 'dark' colour, so I went for a dark-brown Ronseal fence treatment. I don't know if it's because the shiplap is smooth or the way I applied it, but it's peeling badly already, even though it's not been on that long.

By the way, because I had so much grief with my planning permission, I had to halt progress for a few months, and left the ply roof uncovered. This was a BIG mistake, as I've now found it undulates badly. It's a shame really, because the dark red felt tiles from Wickes I put on really did make it a nice building to look at.

As soon as I sealed the building and added heating, I moved my cast iron tools in. At the point it was important to sort my insurance, but I was very surprised that my current provider, Barclays, would not cover the contents, even if I offered to pay for it. The building is covered as part of the normal policy, and contents up to about £5K, so I'll have to find another company just for the shop contents.

Like you, I wanted some overhead storage. I purposely built the shop without any trusses so that I had the full height to swing 8 foot boards round. I then added 3 4"x4" beams across the width, that would turn hald of the length into a loft space. I wa amazed at how these beams bowed, so had to attach 10mm steel stiffners (not cheap) to help. Even though there isn't much weight on there yet, there's considerable load on the walls, which have a double header (thank goodness).

I made the mistake of placing one end of the joists above the window and another end above the door. I can't begin to say how this worries me, and expect to come in one day to a bit crack. The morel of the story is, make sure you fully support any joists from floor to ceiling.

At the last count, I has around 24 double sockets around the walls, 11 single flouresent lights, 2 external lanterns, and a few other bits. Needless to say it was quite a big wiring job, although something I enjoyed doing. I completed the wiring, and pre-agreed with an electrician that he would come back and give me a Part-P on the work. If you're going to run a new board to your shop, you'll have endless arguments about how it should be earthed. My advice - just let your electrican decide, as he's the one that will sign it off.

I can't think of anything else obvious you should know. I have found my shop is still too small, and I'll be posting back for help and ideas of how to layout the tools, which now seem to be squeezed in ;)

I hope this has been of some help. If you need any photos, or advice, please let me know - I'm happy to help.

Rob.
 
There was one other thing I forgot to say.

When you attach your feather edge, I would suggest putting a breathable barrier on the outside of the frame. Then add battons to this, so you create a cavity. Finally, attach the boards.

You would be amazed at how much moisture builds up underneath the boards, so this handy tip I picked up (after I finished boarding) will keep your boards drier with plenty of air flow for a small cost and a bit of extra time.

Rob.
 
Rob, thank you for posting the pics and for the comments, very interesting, a lovely roomy and light workshop by the look of it. Makes mine look like a dungeon, sadly.

GT
 
ratkinsonuk":1avw27db said:
There was one other thing I forgot to say.

When you attach your feather edge, I would suggest putting a breathable barrier on the outside of the frame. Then add battons to this, so you create a cavity. Finally, attach the boards.

You would be amazed at how much moisture builds up underneath the boards, so this handy tip I picked up (after I finished boarding) will keep your boards drier with plenty of air flow for a small cost and a bit of extra time.

Rob.

I agree, I have vapour membrane immediately under my shiplap (which is great for stopping airflow, but if I did it again, I'd make a cavity - to allow the air to circulate and B) to allow an extra gap which in the summer will improve insulation from the sun.

Adam
 
davejester":1kfi9v2p said:
Glad you and Adam mentioned the breathable membrane and air gap. I see screwfix do a membrane for roofing. Could this be used for the walls? If not can you suggest somewhere else to get the stuff cheap? Adam, where did you get your tyvek from? How much did it cost? Dave

I got it from Travis Perkins, and its very expensive. Better to either A) buy a part quantity of ebay? Possibly? Not sure if thats possible or not Or B) I do have some left over, so if you are interested, perhaps we could sort out a price and I could send it? PM if interested.

Adam
 
Can I ask a stupid question?

im planning next summer to build myself a decent sized workshop with the help of my dad, but I have a question regarding the roof.

I can see how you made the triangle shape with the pieces of ply to hold them all together alot firmer, but how do they fix to the walls of the workshop, as they look like they are just hanging over the edge.

Any info would be appreciated.

thanks
 
You assembled and fixed all those trusses up there on your own?! Fair play to you!! I bet it kept you warm though! :D

It must be tempting, after that, to just fix the tarpaulin on top and leave it at that - job done... I wouldn't fancy lugging 18mm ply or OSB sheets up there on my lonesome! :roll:

Are you planning on adding some celing joists across the top of the walls as well? You may lose a little head room (don't know how tall you are...) but it'll give you more possibilities for storage space.

You could leave you're timber up there to season and condition. It'd be out of your way up there too. A roof space can get nice and warm in the spring/summer. Perfect conditions. :)
 
davejester":2d4vjnmp said:
Hi Technium,

I cut a bird's mouth on each end which allows the trusses to sit on the walls. I then put screws through the trusses and into the walls. What you can't see in my photos are the extra 'noggins' between each truss. These help a lot while putting up the roof.

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It's worth having a look through previous workshop build threads. I think everybody has done their roof slightly differently.

Cheers,

Dave

thanks Dave that helps alot, now I can see how its done.

Ive still got plenty of time to research but it was something I just couldnt work out.

How easy is it to work out where the cuts go, I can see me having a wonky roof lol.
 
technium":2ydpb767 said:
davejester":2ydpb767 said:
Hi Technium,

I cut a bird's mouth on each end which allows the trusses to sit on the walls. I then put screws through the trusses and into the walls. What you can't see in my photos are the extra 'noggins' between each truss. These help a lot while putting up the roof.

en5156b0096.gif


It's worth having a look through previous workshop build threads. I think everybody has done their roof slightly differently.

Cheers,

Dave



thanks Dave that helps alot, now I can see how its done.

Ive still got plenty of time to research but it was something I just couldnt work out.

How easy is it to work out where the cuts go, I can see me having a wonky roof lol.

Technium,

I made a full size rod when I made my roof trusses.
Using a few lengths of 4x2 and some of the sheets of OSB destined for the roof cladding, I screwed together a platform bigger than the section of the roof. I marked out the position of the walls, height of the ridge and joined up the dots. It is dead easy to cut out all the rafters, birds mouthes etc and they will all fit..
Once everything was cut , I dismantled the rod and used the 4x2 as noggins to make the rafters rigid and act as nailers for the OSB joints.

hth

Bob
 
9fingers":pq1lwxta said:
Technium,

I made a full size rod when I made my roof trusses.
Using a few lengths of 4x2 and some of the sheets of OSB destined for the roof cladding, I screwed together a platform bigger than the section of the roof. I marked out the position of the walls, height of the ridge and joined up the dots. It is dead easy to cut out all the rafters, birds mouthes etc and they will all fit..
Once everything was cut , I dismantled the rod and used the 4x2 as noggins to make the rafters rigid and act as nailers for the OSB joints.

hth

Bob

Thanks that sort of helps, so basically you drew a template of where the walls were going to be and marked the height of the roof also and then was able to mark where the trusses would be and also where the cuts would be, once checked for accuracy you were able to make all of them exactly the same as the first? Sorry im not very good at this, just starting really so you lost me at rod lol
 
Yes that is exactly what I meant.

A rod is just a woodworkers (and builders) term for a full size gauge for particular features of something you are making.

Good luck

Bob
 

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