The James Krenov Smoother – under review

[ByronBlack]

Is that a good thing?

snip:
they simply lack any sense of respect for the language and the history and traditions of its use, as established over the centuries by "anon."

This is coming from an american? (my apologies if you're an expat).

 

[Paul Chapman]

Anyway off to the sea side shortly

What's more irritating than sharing a beach with someone with six kids and a transistor radio? Yes, you got it in one :lol:

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[ByronBlack]

Anyway off to the sea side shortly

Be careful of the great whites!

 

[mr]

Be careful of the great whites!

Praps not as far fetched as one might think

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/6920345.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/3115573.stm

I shall be off for a spot of surfing in Croyde this Sunday - cue the Jaws theme...

Cheers Mike

 

[ByronBlack]

Your gonna need a bigger surfboard!

 

[David C]

Alf,

Are John Brown's magnificent writings still available please?

David Charlesworth

 

[Javier]

Alf,

Are John Brown's magnificent writings still available please?

David Charlesworth

I should of bought his book on Welsh stick chair making when I saw it at are local bookstore a
couple years ago. Not to change the subject but I just bought David Charlesworth's book
"A Guide to Hand Tools and Methods." Good stuff , I heartily recommend it. Gonna
have to give that diamond paste and mdf sharpening a try.

 

[jaspr]

Thanks for the review of your Krenov plane, Derek. I was waiting to hear more.

One thing you didn't mention was how well it fits your hand and grip. Being personalised for Mr K, it might not work as well for you as it did for him. I'm curious. And here's the rub - would you modify it to fit your own hand/grip?

I'm struck by something Krenov once wrote: "There's no magic in any tool until you put the magic in it. The magic doesn't come with the tool."

I was interested in the way he shaped it, because generally I hold a wooden smoother with my hand over the top at the back and this doesn't leave much of my palm on the closer side. Though I don't have a lot of experience - and this is with a horned german smoother, which maybe held differently.

 

[Alf]

David, well his book is and the article in FWW he did a while back was certainly on their "Best Of" CD, but his GWW articles haven't ever been republished as far as I'm aware. I don't know if GWW still has copyright and whether their new owners might have the wit to see the market for them, but we live in hope. In the meantime - well, I'll email you...

Cheers, Alf

 

[AHoman]

This is coming from an american?

That's with a capital "A"! :twisted:

-Andy

 

[ByronBlack]

This is coming from an american?

That's with a capital "A"! :twisted:

-Andy

No offense intended, but American's have butchered the english language so it's almost un-recognisable so I find your below statement abit of pot calling the kettle black: (in a good humoured way)

Quote:
"they simply lack any sense of respect for the language and the history and traditions of its use, as established over the centuries by "anon."

While i'm on the subject, there's two phrases that i've noticed Americans using a lot and it's always baffled me as it makes no sense; I wonder if you can shed some light on:

Phrase 1. "Most everyone" - that just sounds very odd, surely it should be : "Mostly everyone"

Phrase 2. "Write him" - again, sounds very odd, it should be "write TO him"??

And what happened to the missing "i" in aluminium? :lol: :lol:

 

[mr]

Phrase 1. "Most everyone" - that just sounds very odd, surely it should be : "Mostly everyone"

Phrase 2. "Write him" - again, sounds very odd, it should be "write TO him"??

And what happened to the missing "i" in aluminium? :lol: :lol:

Shouldn't that be "almost everyone"? Mostly everyone meaning (to me) that - for the most part everyone ... - rather than a percentage of totality.

"Write him" is fine usage if intended as an imperative. Next time you hear it write "him" on the wall in large letters

Aluminum ? Now there's just no excuse for that

But back on topic I'm left wondering whether had I the cash I would stump up for one of Mr Krenovs planes. Their appeal to me is the provenance, The plane itself is probably no better or no worse than any other made by a (better than) competent maker. I have one of Phillys planes it works admirably, as well I would wager as one of Krenovs - though not having had the experience of the latter I couldn't say for sure. Sure I'd like to contribute to Mr Krenovs retirement fund but something stops me - other than the actual not having the cash to do so element.


Cheers Mike

 

[ByronBlack]

Phrase 1. "Most everyone" - that just sounds very odd, surely it should be : "Mostly everyone"

Phrase 2. "Write him" - again, sounds very odd, it should be "write TO him"??

And what happened to the missing "i" in aluminium? :lol: :lol:

Shouldn't that be "almost everyone"? Mostly everyone meaning (to me) that - for the most part everyone ... - rather than a percentage of totality.

"Write him" is fine usage if intended as an imperative. Next time you hear it write "him" on the wall in large letters

Aluminum ? Now there's just no excuse for that

But back on topic I'm left wondering whether had I the cash I would stump up for one of Mr Krenovs planes. Their appeal to me is the provenance, The plane itself is probably no better or no worse than any other made by a (better than) competent maker. I have one of Phillys planes it works admirably, as well I would wager as one of Krenovs - though not having had the experience of the latter I couldn't say for sure. Sure I'd like to contribute to Mr Krenovs retirement fund but something stops me - other than the actual not having the cash to do so element.


Cheers Mike

But Mike, they use the phrase "write him/her/me" to mean "write TO that person".. it's still wrong! :lol: :lol:

On subject: I wouldn't buy a krenov plane. I would prefer a cabinet

 

[dunbarhamlin]

Many phrases and expressions considered archetypal of the American argot are either archaic British english or a consequence of America's polyglot past.

'Most everyone' could have arisen either as a simple contraction of 'Almost...' or from non-native speakers reconstructing previously heard expressions with a limited vocabulary ( 'most people' + 'almost everyone' )

'Write him' - again, either non-native speakers (compare the similar ecrivez moi) or archaic - I often heard this sort of construction when visiting my grandparents in Lincolnshire, thirty-something years ago.

I do notice a deterioration in my standard of english over the years. I do however watch very little television, and so doubt I can fairly blame this all on our American friends.

 

[bugbear]

I do notice a deterioration in my standard of english over the years. I do however watch very little television, and so doubt I can fairly blame this all on our American friends.

The usage I dislike is "needs <future>" as in

"that blade is blunt; it needs sharpened"

I think "it needs sharpening", or "it needs to be sharpened" are correct.

But I think this is (in fact) a regional variation and not a "youth of today" thing.

BugBear

 

[woodbloke]

Mr wrote:

I the cash I would stump up for one of Mr Krenovs planes. Their appeal to me is the provenance, The plane itself is probably no better or no worse than any other made by a (better than) competent maker.

Mike - I was in the same quandary and didn't really have the cash but felt exactly the same way....me want toy, no dosh . Fortunately SWIMBO saw me skulking around for a couple of weeks with a face as long as a double decker bus and dipped into her sack for the old plastic :lol:....happy now :lol:

Incidently, why can't we have 'favourite' instead of 'favorite' on the spellchecker - Rob

 

[MikeW]

Wel us hilbilly bastages of the proper folk just dont no no better dang it all any way

Tracing linguistic variations, permutations and simplifications over time is a fascinating study as dunbarhamlin alludes to.

My theory? one does not need to look further than their own backyards to account for such relaxing of grammar, spelling, and usage.

Take care, Mike 'hilbilly' Wenzloff

 

[Alf]

Erm... is this the same Byron Black who didn't think this forum was the place for my objection to the use of "very unique"...? :wink:

In a similar vein to Linconshire experience; a very Cornish Cornishwoman round here consistantly says "on farm" rather than "on the farm".

Cheers, Alf

 

[mr]

Tracing linguistic variations, permutations and simplifications over time is a fascinating study as dunbarhamlin alludes to.

Nooooooooooooooo. I did a linguistics minor to my lit major degree course when I was a student {spits} - I can honestly say I have never found anything as tedious as the linguistics bit which is odd as I have nothing against learning languages - dead ones in my own case, and as it (the linguistics "stuff") remains with me to this day - strange.

Fortunately SWIMBO saw me skulking around for a couple of weeks with a face as long as a double decker bus and dipped into her sack for the old plastic :lol:....happy now :lol: - Rob

Sorely tempted but I know I must restrain myself.

Cheers Mike

 

[engineer one]

so how many sharks did you catch mike :lol:

linguistics to woodworking, and by hand, that seems to work,
no wonder your writings are so good allowing for the subbies

paul :wink: