Speeding Motorcyclist

[Argee]

Argee you say he needed no provication, yet later on you say the offender seems to turn it into a race!
sort of like " there's a bloke up my **** here i'll show him how fast i can really go!

The two are not connected. "Provocation" means "something that incites, instigates, angers, or irritates." I cannot know what was in the offender's mind at the time, but the presence of another motorcyclist did nothing to alter his speed or behaviour. It certainmly did NOT instigate it. Whether it angered or irritated the offender is moot. As you say, it was rather like he was showing off even more.

Please don't make sweeping generalisations such as "anyone will STOP for a blue light," because it simply is not true.

Your previous posts tend to suggest that your mind's made up, anyway, so there's little point in my further intervention.

Ray

 

[RogerS]

Any "normal" road user (although breaking the law in the first place) would STOP for a siren/blue light including the offender.

Dream on...

The footage you see on police camera action e.t.c are all criminals who speed off e.g.banned drivers,robber's and kids.

How do you know? Are you the producer of the TV series? Chief Superintendent (Traffic) ?

Is there a safer way than to chase a speeding vehicle several miles,yes there's got to be.

Such as? All very well to say 'there must be a better way' but you don't offer anything as an alternative.

Prosecuting him for say 100mph in a 60mph zone would have proberbly learnt him enough of a lesson.

So how are they going to know what speed he's doing etc unless they follow him etc etc. Anyway, it also depends on what the penalty is. He got two years (not long enough in my book) but if he was done for as you suggest then his disqualification would probably have been much less time and also a lower fine etc. It's not up to the whim of the magistrate. They have to follow the sentencing guidelines.

Argee you say he needed no provication, yet later on you say the offender seems to turn it into a race!
sort of like " there's a bloke up my **** here i'll show him how fast i can really go!

I think that's an unfair comment. Argee gave a very detailed and balanced answer I think but that's not good enough for you, it would seem. I think that Argee knows a little bit more than anyone else posting on this topic....unless, as I said before, you're Chief Superindent (Traffic).

 

[dunbarhamlin]

Wouldn't four normal speeding tickets have been safer, though? Both for the police rider and the public?
Or if not, how many idiotic maneuvers does the miscreant have to make before there's enough to do them for reckless driving?
I thought it was an instant ban above the ton anyway.
Perhaps, since the police were targeting the fellow, there's a case for allowing them to surrepticiously attach a short term tracking device to the bike, thus avoiding the need for a chase?

 

[Gary]

I think that Argee knows a little bit more than anyone else posting

Not everyone, some of us are paying his pension. :lol:

 

[big soft moose]

Wouldn't four normal speeding tickets have been safer, though? Both for the police rider and the public?
Or if not, how many idiotic maneuvers does the miscreant have to make before there's enough to do them for reckless driving?
I thought it was an instant ban above the ton anyway.
Perhaps, since the police were targeting the fellow, there's a case for allowing them to surrepticiously attach a short term tracking device to the bike, thus avoiding the need for a chase?

I agree with you first point to an extent- riding like that they could eaily have got him for speeding several times ( and the chances that a pillock like that has a clean licence in the first place are neglible.)

However on the second you are back in movie land - the police dont routinely have access to covert tracking devices , particularly for traffic enforcement.

 

[dunbarhamlin]

Perhaps, since the police were targeting the fellow, there's a case for allowing them to surrepticiously attach a short term tracking device to the bike, thus avoiding the need for a chase?

However on the second you are back in movie land - the police dont routinely have access to covert tracking devices , particularly for traffic enforcement.

Didn't put that well - what I meant was, maybe they should have such an option.

 

[andycktm]

The police were clearly after a DD charge/jail,but it looks like he had a good solicitor .

Watch the first 10 seconds of the film again... two overtakes i clean/safe one desperate/dangerous :?

 

[Gary]

Watch the first 10 seconds of the film again... two overtakes i clean/safe one desperate/dangerous :?

So which one do you consider to be safe?

The one at nearly 40mph in excess of the speed limit?

 

[Digit]

anyone will STOP for a blue light

Actually Ray, he didn't say that, he said, in inverted commas, any 'normal road user.
By definition anybody failing to stop for the boys in blue isn't normal IMO.

Roy.

 

[Doctor]

I think 10 years ago, all the posters on a forum such as this would have supported the police, come what may, its what we were brought up to do.
However times change, due to the media, increased speeding cameras and the police being percieved to be generating money from speeding tickets rather than stopping crimes (yes I know speeding is a crime) the public have turned and now look down their noses at policemen.

Do I - yes but I happened to be best mates with a lad who joined the met police and witnessed the gradual decline in his moral standards, racism, corruption, provocation and the general abuse of power. I haven't seen him for 15 years, but I see him on tele occasionally, he has risen up the ranks very successfully, must be well liked by other officers.

 

[Digit]

yes I know speeding is a crime)

True! But only 'cos the powers that be have so decided. Being clocked by a speed camera at 2am on empty roads denies the driver the right of using his judgement. Something that police officers can and do do.
Years ago I was doing over the ton on the A5 when stopped by a police car, I got out, dashed upto the officer and gasped, 'badly injured baby in back, I'm heading for the hospital.'
'Follow me!' was his response and led the way with two and blues going like mad!
Anybody like to estimate how a faceless beaurocrat would respond to that after issuing a fixed penalty notice?

Roy.