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My tool sharpening equipment consists of a very old and worn oil stone.

I basically want to be able to get a really good edge on my chissels, plane irons etc.

There appear to be a couple of options for me.

1. A waterstone arrangement from Norton like their Norton Waterstone Starter Kit

2. A wet stone grinder like this from Record Power: WG250-PK

I was wondering if anyone has any opinions for me to easily sharpen my tools in the workshop.

Thanks
 
There is loads written here about this subject so I would suggest you try a search. This is something I would not usually say as it seems so unhelpful to someone just joining us but on this subject it really is the best advice.

Also search here and Google for scary sharp too.

And welcome.

Mick
 
Hi Mark,

as Mick says, this is as contentious a topic as you can get round here! Mick: I was typing this as you typed yours so I thought I wouldn't waste it!
. . .

Don't take this as the only way to go, by any means, but it's a cheap way to get really good edges - Google "Scary Sharp".

Basically you need:
  • a good flat surface, about 1ft by 2ft (I use a thick bit of glass, but clean MDF is also popular),
  • some spray glue (Scotch "Spray Mount" works for me),
  • a honing guide (the Eclipse copies are cheap and work pretty well for most blades),
  • a cup of water and a teaspoon, and an old cloth to clean the blades during the process,
  • and a selection of _good_quality_ wet and dry paper, from fairly coarse, going down to really fine grades (2000 or 2500 grit).

First you need to flatten and polish the backs of the blades you want to sharpen. You only need to do this once, and although you need to do it once, I'll come back to it (it'll make sense, honest!).

Here's what to do:
  1. Cut some strips from the wet+dry, a selection going through the grits from coarse to fine, each wider than the widest blade you want to sharpen.
  2. Stick them down to the surface with the spray glue in parallel strips in order (I label the grit side with felt tip pen in one corner, so I know which is which).
  3. Set your blade or chisel in the honing guide.
  4. Start with the coarsest paper. Use a few drips of water from the handle of the teaspoon as lubricant and hone the blade on the one paper until you can see it's abraded the bevel evenly.
  5. Strop the blade gently (I use the thigh of my jeans usually, but don't tell my wife!) - this removes any wire edge build-up.
  6. Clean the blade with the cloth. This is important as you want to stop coarser grit and filings from contaminating the finer grits.
  7. Move to the next grit down and hone gently until you can feel the roughness has gone.
  8. Clean and repeat step 5 onwards.
When you get down to 2000 or 2500 grit, you should be able to dry-shave your forearm or the back of your hand, and the blade should be "scary sharp." It's almost *****-proof (it works for me!).

In regular use you can quickly pick up from one of the finer grits to keep the edge you're using from dulling-off too fast.

Flattening the backs: This is crucial, whatever system you use. You take a similar approach to the actual sharpening, but rub the flat, non-bevel side of whatever-it-is on successively finer grades of paper until you get a mirror finish, or close to it.

You only need shiny flatness on the business end, not the whole blade. It's hard to do when the paper is laid out in strips, as one gets in the way of the next and so on - you really need the paper stuck down next to the edge of your flat surface, not in strips across all of the area. This is why I mentioned it separately.

It's a one-off process - once the back is flat and mirror-smooth, it's done forever. It's necessary, as the smoother it is, the more sharply defined the business edge of the blade is. Unless you do flatten, you will get disappointing sharpness.

There are other methods that you can 'just do' without much practice, notably the electro-mechanical wet grinding (Tormek-type) systems, They work, but in my experience they're a bit hit and miss, there's a lot to go wrong (technique, I mean), and you can grind through a lot of material just practising.

Which reminds me: start with an old blade for practice, if you have one, as it will matter less.

You'll be truly amazed what a difference a really sharp blade makes. I've a friend who manages a joinery workshop. He's not a woodworker, and we've done some stuff together partly so that he can learn-up on what his team are doing. He was planing some English Oak a while ago, by hand on my bench, using a #5 and my #7 (for fun - it didn't need to be that straight!). He got a bit stuffy the first time I got him to stop and switch blades after about ten minutes. So I let him go on for twenty, then gave him back the one I'd just touched up with Scary Sharp. Instant convert! The touch-up only takes perhaps 2 mins of interruption (you can usually start on 1000 grit), but the difference in keeping the blade really sharp is amazing.

There's lots more to this. Jacob will tell you all about the value of cambered (curved, not flat) bevels and doing things freehand. He's not wrong, but I don't have the muscle control for it these days. For me Scary Sharp is cheap quick, was easy to learn and is repeatable.

Whatever you end up doing, have fun!

E.

PS: The best wet+dry I have came from Axminster. The cheap stuff (from Toolstation) was way too curly, a bit uneven, not available in really fine grades, and wouldn't stay stuck down). Start with some good quality wet+dry to avoid disappointment.
 
I use a diamond stone/naniwa waterstones combo and like it. diamond stones (of the kind of DMT and Atoma - the mono-crystaline type) are expensive, but IMHO the best deal for the 1st stages of sharpening. they cut really fast, don´t clog easily, take eons to wear out and stay flat. i use 4 grades to take me up to 1000. then the water stones kick in for a more refined edge but this is an area where personal preference really dictates what you should use.
I do enjoy sharpening and have a kick for shiny edges, so i use Naniwa chosera 1000, 2000 and 5000 and Naniwa superstone 8000 (just because i couldn´t afford the 8000 chosera). If i was geeky enough i could go even further on the grits, but i find the 8000 of the Naniwas more than enough for my meager needs. I like the fact that they don´t wear too fast, don´t need soaking and give me a nice, clean shiny edge but they are not the fastest stones. If i was shooting for speed i´d probably go with Shaptons (tried them, preferred the lower grit ones but went for diamond after a while) or even the new Sigma Select II stones (haven´t tried them but there are lots of folks swearing by them).
Can´t help you with machines, as i´ve never used them. I´m considering using them in the future, though.

good luck!
miguel.
 
Eric The Viking":3asabens said:
Hi Mark,

as Mick says, this is as contentious a topic as you can get round here! Mick: I was typing this as you typed yours so I thought I wouldn't waste it!
. . .

Don't take this as the only way to go, by any means, but it's a cheap way to get really good edges - Google "Scary Sharp".

Basically you need:
  • a good flat surface, about 1ft by 2ft (I use a thick bit of glass, but clean MDF is also popular),
  • some spray glue (Scotch "Spray Mount" works for me),
  • a honing guide (the Eclipse copies are cheap and work pretty well for most blades),
  • a cup of water and a teaspoon, and an old cloth to clean the blades during the process,
  • and a selection of _good_quality_ wet and dry paper, from fairly coarse, going down to really fine grades (2000 or 2500 grit).

First you need to flatten and polish the backs of the blades you want to sharpen. You only need to do this once, and although you need to do it once, I'll come back to it (it'll make sense, honest!).

Here's what to do:
  1. Cut some strips from the wet+dry, a selection going through the grits from coarse to fine, each wider than the widest blade you want to sharpen.
  2. Stick them down to the surface with the spray glue in parallel strips in order (I label the grit side with felt tip pen in one corner, so I know which is which).
  3. Set your blade or chisel in the honing guide.
  4. Start with the coarsest paper. Use a few drips of water from the handle of the teaspoon as lubricant and hone the blade on the one paper until you can see it's abraded the bevel evenly.
  5. Strop the blade gently (I use the thigh of my jeans usually, but don't tell my wife!) - this removes any wire edge build-up.
  6. Clean the blade with the cloth. This is important as you want to stop coarser grit and filings from contaminating the finer grits.
  7. Move to the next grit down and hone gently until you can feel the roughness has gone.
  8. Clean and repeat step 5 onwards.
When you get down to 2000 or 2500 grit, you should be able to dry-shave your forearm or the back of your hand, and the blade should be "scary sharp." It's almost *****-proof (it works for me!).

In regular use you can quickly pick up from one of the finer grits to keep the edge you're using from dulling-off too fast.

Flattening the backs: This is crucial, whatever system you use. You take a similar approach to the actual sharpening, but rub the flat, non-bevel side of whatever-it-is on successively finer grades of paper until you get a mirror finish, or close to it.

You only need shiny flatness on the business end, not the whole blade. It's hard to do when the paper is laid out in strips, as one gets in the way of the next and so on - you really need the paper stuck down next to the edge of your flat surface, not in strips across all of the area. This is why I mentioned it separately.

It's a one-off process - once the back is flat and mirror-smooth, it's done forever. It's necessary, as the smoother it is, the more sharply defined the business edge of the blade is. Unless you do flatten, you will get disappointing sharpness.

There are other methods that you can 'just do' without much practice, notably the electro-mechanical wet grinding (Tormek-type) systems, They work, but in my experience they're a bit hit and miss, there's a lot to go wrong (technique, I mean), and you can grind through a lot of material just practising.

Which reminds me: start with an old blade for practice, if you have one, as it will matter less.

You'll be truly amazed what a difference a really sharp blade makes. I've a friend who manages a joinery workshop. He's not a woodworker, and we've done some stuff together partly so that he can learn-up on what his team are doing. He was planing some English Oak a while ago, by hand on my bench, using a #5 and my #7 (for fun - it didn't need to be that straight!). He got a bit stuffy the first time I got him to stop and switch blades after about ten minutes. So I let him go on for twenty, then gave him back the one I'd just touched up with Scary Sharp. Instant convert! The touch-up only takes perhaps 2 mins of interruption (you can usually start on 1000 grit), but the difference in keeping the blade really sharp is amazing.

There's lots more to this. Jacob will tell you all about the value of cambered (curved, not flat) bevels and doing things freehand. He's not wrong, but I don't have the muscle control for it these days. For me Scary Sharp is cheap quick, was easy to learn and is repeatable.

Whatever you end up doing, have fun!

E.

PS: The best wet+dry I have came from Axminster. The cheap stuff (from Toolstation) was way too curly, a bit uneven, not available in really fine grades, and wouldn't stay stuck down). Start with some good quality wet+dry to avoid disappointment.
You could do all that but personally I'd stick with the old oil stone.
I've been round the houses with sharpening but am back to basics as cheapest, easiest and most effective. One double sided oil stone will last you for life. If you want a better edge you could get a add a finer grade of oil stone and a piece of leather for a strop but I wouldn't go any further. Law of diminishing returns. KISS! Happy new year!
 
marcus":11o0701i said:
I was wondering if anyone has any opinions for me to easily sharpen my tools in the workshop.

:shock:
Yes it's a new one innit! :lol:

Actually the only radical changes I've adopted following my excursions around the subject is firstly to occasionally freshen up the stone with a 3m diapad, this sort of thing but I don't have an opinion on which grade.
These pads are flexible so will work on a hollow stone so you don't need to worry about flattening it ever.
Secondly to use a rare-earth bar magnet to lift off swarf, which makes the operation cleaner and saves on oil.
Like this one.
 
Mark - Your tag says that you are up in Scotland. If you are anywhere near Alloa, you are welcome to have a shot with my Jet water grinder and selection of waterstones. its not the only method, and its not the cheapest, but it is pretty straightforward.

Adam
 
Jacob":3egcrnqx said:
Secondly to use a rare earth bar magnet to lift of swarf, which makes the operation cleaner and saves on oil.
Like this one.

Put the magnet in a thick plastic bag; carefully peel the bag back inside-out after use. The filings stay in the bag and the magnet stays clean.

With a hollow stone, how do you flatten the backs of your blades, or is that another old wives' tale, in your opinion?

Ever curious...

E.
 
Eric The Viking":o6egs64q said:
....

With a hollow stone, how do you flatten the backs of your blades, or is that another old wives' tale, in your opinion?

Ever curious...

E.
There's always a flattish bit which will do it. It's not critical. Or the side of the stone etc.

Interesting how fashions change - on ebay Norton double-sided oil-stones get a good price, especially if they are in dirty, oily, old boxes, as used to be made by every apprentice. A few years ago you couldn't give them away!
 
Kalimna":ibwf89u4 said:
Mark - Your tag says that you are up in Scotland. If you are anywhere near Alloa, you are welcome to have a shot with my Jet water grinder and selection of waterstones. its not the only method, and its not the cheapest, but it is pretty straightforward.

Adam

If you can make use of this, it would be superb. There's nothing like actually encountering a truly sharp edge (and what it can do) to show you the way forward.

BugBear
 
Wow, nothing like poking a wasps nest with a nice pointy stick :shock: :shock: :D

Sharpening is like skinning a cat, hundreds of ways that are perfectly fine to get a sharp edge. Myself, I generally use a granite slab with abrasive sheet to start with then finish off on natural oil stone, don't know what grade that is but it must be in the several thousands. Always gives me an edge I can shave my arm hair with. But one needs to have a system your happy with, thats half the battle I think because it such a subjective issue.
Now just DONT ask wither to use a sharpening jig or do it freehand !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
 
Thanks all for taking the time to answer my contentious question.

Some new ideas I'd not come across before like the scary sharp description by Eric the Viking.

I'm not sure which direction I'll follow yet, but I've a clearer idea with your ideas.
 
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