Sell me some sawstop shares quick!

[matthewwh]

Just spotted this humdinger of a debate about the US Govt making sawstop mandatory.

It seems simple to me, if you took a room full of amputees and asked them for a one off payment of £65 to have their digits returned in perfect condition - I suspect there would be a very high percentage of takers.

nuffsed.

 

[The Wood Butcher]

The way that the Septics use tablesaws they need someone or something to save them from themselves... Good to know that it's all a socialist plot though... knobs...

 

[studders]

I really, and I mean really, can't get my head around how someone can remove safety equipment from any Machine, get injured and then claim it was the fault of the Machine/Machine makers/sellers/everyone else but them; and then get some Judge/Jury to agree with them and hand out compensation. Just how stupid do you have to be?

 

[Mike Wingate]

I appreciate the saved fingers, but the SawStop wrecks the saw, or at least the blade and spindle. Take care with your eyes when it loses its teeth!

 

[YCF Dino]

I really, and I mean really, can't get my head around how someone can remove safety equipment from any Machine, get injured and then claim it was the fault of the Machine/Machine makers/sellers/everyone else but them; and then get some Judge/Jury to agree with them and hand out compensation. Just how stupid do you have to be?

I dont agree with the lucky one's.
I use 100hp ripsaws with 10 blades and the machine was safer than a portable tablesaw.
First, you dont have enough material support.
All tablesaws must have some type of supporting large pieces of wood and panels.
Then we have many unseen problems to deal with.
Each piece of wood is different and some times even the same piece of wood reacts different in some places. The wood is alive reacts.
I think, we need to find better ways and make smarter tools insteda of 50-60.ooo
accidents year after year after year.


sawstop is not enough but is a good start.
I dont like the idea of pushing wood into spinning blades without securing the wood.
How hard is to invent a smart pusher?
Years ago, I offered few TS safety devices to PC...for free.
They dont take them.
Do you like to know why ?

 

[Benchwayze]

I really, and I mean really, can't get my head around how someone can remove safety equipment from any Machine, get injured and then claim it was the fault of the Machine/Machine makers/sellers/everyone else but them; and then get some Judge/Jury to agree with them and hand out compensation. Just how stupid do you have to be?

I dont agree with the lucky one's.
I use 100hp ripsaws with 10 blades and the machine was safer than a portable tablesaw.
First, you dont have enough material support.
All tablesaws must have some type of supporting large pieces of wood and panels.
Then we have many unseen problems to deal with.
Each piece of wood is different and some times even the same piece of wood reacts different in some places. The wood is alive reacts.
I think, we need to find better ways and make smarter tools insteda of 50-60.ooo
accidents year after year after year.


sawstop is not enough but is a good start.
I dont like the idea of pushing wood into spinning blades without securing the wood.
How hard is to invent a smart pusher?
Years ago, I offered few TS safety devices to PC...for free.
They dont take them.
Do you like to know why ?

I don't like pushing stock over the cutter block of my 12" Sedgwick. As long as I use the guard correctly, keep the cutters sharp and tables adjusted properly, then short of a blade working loose, (which would be like a bomb going off), the only way my fingers can come into contact with the blade is through absentmindedness. Of course it can still 'kick-back', so I would like a power-feed for it, which I can probably buy. As I believe you can for table saws. So it's a case of calculating the risk. Which could be even more expensive. But so far no problems.

John

 

[tomatwark]

I dont agree with the lucky one's.
I use 100hp ripsaws with 10 blades and the machine was safer than a portable tablesaw.
First, you dont have enough material support.
All tablesaws must have some type of supporting large pieces of wood and panels.
Then we have many unseen problems to deal with.
Each piece of wood is different and some times even the same piece of wood reacts different in some places. The wood is alive reacts.
I think, we need to find better ways and make smarter tools insteda of 50-60.ooo
accidents year after year after year.


sawstop is not enough but is a good start.
I dont like the idea of pushing wood into spinning blades without securing the wood.
How hard is to invent a smart pusher?
Years ago, I offered few TS safety devices to PC...for free.
They dont take them.
Do you like to know why ?

I sincerely hope the HSE do not start to think along the lines of making UK companies start fitting sawstop.

It cost enough for small business when they insisted on braking, while that was a good idea I think this would be a step to far.

The BIG problem with this Saw Stop device is it will make people complacent and cause them to think that machines do not bite.

You have to remember that the Americans like to use their saws without any guards and with dado heads, so they need something like this to protect them against the compensation lawyers.

Tom

 

[Benchwayze]

I had braking on a large contractors' table saw I bought. Every time I switched off, the saw almost shook itself to pieces and I was continually having to tighten the crown guard securing nuts, as well as having to re adjust the table-saw set up more than usual. I sold it on, warning the new owner about the brake problem. (I recall he said he knew how to remove the braking feature, but that was up to him.)

I am still trying to work out where braking is an answer.

If you have the misfortune to catch your fingers in a saw, even if you can switch off, the brake isn't going to save further injury. It just doesn't stop dead. By the time it does stop the injury is done and over with. If you haven't drawn your hand away by then, you're probably in a position where you can't. Again, braking isn't going to make much difference. What's left of your hand is probably going to stop the saw.

As for someone falling and accidentally placing a hand on an unguarded, sawblade that is running down; well the saw shouldn't be unguarded in the first place. So lower the guard right down, switch off and wait for the blade to stop before you leave the saw unattended. That's what I do, and I am usually alone in the shop. (Yes I know, being alone in the shop can be risky too. So is living.)

I still think it's better to ruin a table saw, than to lose bits of your body.

That doesn't mean I am counselling the mandatory fitting of 'saw-stop'. For one thing, how would you prevent idiots in workshops, making it a 'rite-of-passage' to properly 'road-test' test Saw-stop. :shock:

I wonder though, did the inventor think about the possibility of legislation when he patented his idea. I bet he did, and good luck to him.

For hypothetical situations a vivid imagination is useful, for novelists and H&S experts alike, so I am sure someone on the forum will soon put me right!

John

 

[tomatwark]

John

I have always understood ( and will probably be corrected ) that machines had to stop within 10 seconds and do not need to be braked if this is the case already.

I agree that on saw benches braking is not always necessary or a good idea if the nut comes loose ( we had the same problem in a firm I worked for) and once you have cut off your fingers it is a bit late to be worrying about it.

However there are machines such a tenoners for example which will run for a long time and with the modern safety blocks very quietly and to have braking on these is a really good idea.

But from the HSE's point of view I guess they had to introduce the 10 second rule across the board otherwise it would leave to many ways of interpreting it.

Tom

 

[tim burr]

I've very recently returned from 3 1/2 weeks working in New York and some of the things that I saw going on while I was on site were enough to make my toes curl :shock: . The lack of any guards or riving knives needs to be addressed long before they start faffing about with fancy blade brakes.