saw identification

[lurker]

I’ve got a nice cross cut saw that I’m currently “fettling” there is no name on it but there is a brass “insert” with “established 1770” embossed on it.

I have two others (cross & rip) obviously a pair, again I can see no marks except one has a black plastic washer behind one of the brass nuts and I think I can read “Tyzak & son and something ltd”

Incidentally, is there anyone (preferably 30 mile radius of Loughborough) who would teach me how to sharpen saws – I’ve read the theory over & over but still do not have the confidence to apply file to steel.

Once I’ve learned the art I thought I'd fix the six Distons :shock: :shock: I have tucked away in my loft :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[bugbear]

Incidentally, is there anyone (preferably 30 mile radius of Loughborough) who would teach me how to sharpen saws – I’ve read the theory over & over but still do not have the confidence to apply file to steel.

I'm not within distance, but starting to sharpen is easy - get a cheap saw with large teeth (e.g. 1970's Spear & Jackson cross cut, 10 TPI - should be 1-2 quid at a car boot) and have a go. You can't do more than 2 quid's worth of damage...

You might consider having a "good hack" and resharpening it rip, 10 tpi, before trying anything harder.

True rips are easier to sharpen, but harder to find.

If you need any info (but you say you're happy on the theory) ask away.

There are some saw sharpeners here, with varying levels of expertise. (hi Mike!)

BugBear

 

[lurker]

Hi Bugbear,
Thanks for response, I notice you are suffolk, I frequently visit Sizewell, is that far away? - sorry if that sounds a bit pushy

 

[bugbear]

Hi Bugbear,
Thanks for response, I notice you are suffolk, I frequently visit Sizewell, is that far away? - sorry if that sounds a bit pushy

Both me and Mr Spanton (who I must visit...) are near Diss - around 40 miles from Sizewell.

BugBear

 

[MrJay]

Groves & Sons, Established 1770. With a bit of luck you'll find "bb use" and "Thin to the Back" engraved on the blade. Super saw, or it would be if you didn't suck so.

 

[DomValente]

Tyzack is or was a long established saw makers (17??) and were until quite recently 199? situated in Old st. Hackney London, I believe they may have a small shop in Kingsland rd, same area, they also used to sell quality tools and machine tools but in recent years went down the Draper path.

Dom

 

[Colin C]

Hi Dom

The shop in Old st has gone and the shop on Kingsland road had nothing to do with the Old st one, other than the same last name :roll:

Also the Tyzack name was bought by Record from what I heard but I am not sure how true that is

 

[MrJay]

Which Tyzack are we talking about? Also, pics please.

 

[lurker]

Hi Folks,

Thanks for advice, I'm going through my hoard to try to establish keepers, sellers & scrap.

I've tracked down Tyzack & sons and Turner. These saws were my dads so I guess they are about 50 years old.

Mr Jay, thanks for the information about Groves, I found another one in my horde over the weekend with the same medallion and could see a faint word but had assumes this said Greves and of course could not find a reference.

To continue my blatanant gloat - I have particular Disston thats got steel saw nuts which makes me think it might be a less good un also the medallion says "Diston Canada" Good un or dumper?

 

[Alf]

Ooo definitely dumper - dump it over here and it can keep company with my Canadian Disstons. :wink:

But more seriously, from the Disstonian Institute:

Disston had a factory in Toronto from 1910 until at least the 1950's. The saws were the same as the Philadelphia models. This allowed Disston to sell in the British Commonwealth without paying tariffs. Disston also had a factory in Australia which opened in Sydney in 1926, probably closing in the 1950's.

In short they're just like the 'Murrican ones of the same age. Yours is likely from the latter end of that time scale, so maybe not the most desirable, but I bet the blade's just as effective.

Cheers, Alf

 

[lurker]

Hi Alf.

I had read that of said link last week. I thought the medallion was a bit different, will look again.

Regarding the saw hoard; I'm detemined not to become a co**ect££r !! (who am I trying to kid!!, you lot have got my hurtling down the slope :roll: ) but keep the classics & use them. The others will go to raise money for the gaps (that I'm racking my brains to find) in my " I really need this tool to do the job right" kit (definitely not co**ect££n!!!).