Safari 4 - problems

[RogerS]

Still reckon it's worth going back to Safari 3

"Downgrading Safari"

Download Safari 3.1.1 Update from Apple's Download page.
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/a ... ri311.html

Quit Safari.
Delete Safari
Delete the receipts file at /Library/Receipts/Safari4.0Tiger.pkg
Empty Trash

Mount Safari 3.1.1.dmg file
Run Safari311UpdPPC.pkg
Perform 'Upgrade'
Restart

 

[dedee]

Roger,
I am on a PC at the moment and firefox IE have no problems talking with the natiowide.

I will try and delete safari4 and reload safari3 this evening and see what happens.

Intrestingly just before I left the house this morning I tried to access the Apple download site to investigate obtaining 10.5, Safari just hung. I tried again and as soon as I went off the apple home page it just got stuck.

Thanks again for all your help, I feel as if I owe you a beer, or in this part of the world, cidre. If ever you pass this way you can collect.

Cheers

Andy

 

[RogerS]

Je suis en route!

 

[dedee]

Still reckon it's worth going back to Safari 3

"Downgrading Safari"

Download Safari 3.1.1 Update from Apple's Download page.
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/a ... ri311.html

Quit Safari.
Delete Safari
Delete the receipts file at /Library/Receipts/Safari4.0Tiger.pkg
Empty Trash

Mount Safari 3.1.1.dmg file
Run Safari311UpdPPC.pkg
Perform 'Upgrade'
Restart

Oh Dear Roger, tried the above and still the same problem.
I'm not sure what to do next. Perhaps I should buy and install 10.5 then? As there seems to be more support threads with similar issues when Safari 4 is used with Tiger than with leopard.

Thanks again - time for a stiff drink - 25 yr calvados methinks and some dark chocolate hobnobs.

Cheers

Andy

 

[cambournepete]

I don't know what to suggest.
Not sure about the Nationwide site checking though - I tried checking my browser settings and it reckons I have IE7, but I actually have IE8... :?
Maybe you need to update or uninstall some of the browser plugins?

 

[dedee]

Pete,
I would not know where to start. I've found the list of installed plug-ins in Safari, but which ones would be suspect? I can't imagine just removing a few at random for fear of causing problems elsewhere.

Andy

 

[RogerS]

Still reckon it's worth going back to Safari 3

"Downgrading Safari"

Download Safari 3.1.1 Update from Apple's Download page.
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/a ... ri311.html

Quit Safari.
Delete Safari
Delete the receipts file at /Library/Receipts/Safari4.0Tiger.pkg
Empty Trash

Mount Safari 3.1.1.dmg file
Run Safari311UpdPPC.pkg
Perform 'Upgrade'
Restart

Oh Dear Roger, tried the above and still the same problem.
I'm not sure what to do next. Perhaps I should buy and install 10.5 then? As there seems to be more support threads with similar issues when Safari 4 is used with Tiger than with leopard.

Thanks again - time for a stiff drink - 25 yr calvados methinks and some dark chocolate hobnobs.

Cheers

Andy

I think that that may be you only option as you don't have any backups AFAIK so you can roll back in time.

I wouldn't worry too much about those 'reports' as to what one has on or their system thinks it has running.

 

[dedee]

Roger, I tend to agree. I'll get hold of Leopard and then see what happens. Seems a bit like a sledgehammer to crack a nut but c'est la vie avec les ordinateurs.

a bientot

Andy

 

[RogerS]

Last thought but hve no idea if it will work.

I do remember that I identified a problem with Flash and safari but this was a while back. Flash release 9r115 caused no end of problems and this was cured at the time by reverting back to 9r47. All was well until Apple in one of their security updates bundled in 115 again and safari suddenly stopped working properly again...until v47 was installed. I posted about this extensively o the Apple forums and was initially pooh-poohed by the 'experts' only to be subsequently talking sense for once.

May be worth a try. The release is 9 v 47 and you might be able to find it here?

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/142/tn_14266.html

This was the post where the details are found

You can obtain a copy of Flash 9.0.47 here. Download "Flash Player 9" - first one listed. When you open the package, open the "9r47 Folder". There, select Flashplayer9r47_mac.dmg, which is for PPC machines. This installs Flash 9.0.47.

Important to "repair permissions" after any Flash install.

 

[Mike-W]

Andy,
Just spotted your post, I’m a Mac user and regular Nationwide on-line user; I (luckily) have not had any problems to date. I’m running Safari v4 on OSX 10.5 on a G4, I have noticed the bookmark that I have always used until about a week ago (olb2.nationet.com) is now not the correct link with the nationwide automatically loading the correct page and an apology that the bookmark I tried using is no longer available.
I think Rogers suggestion to revert back to the earlier version of Safari has to be the way to go, as It looks to me as if Safari v4 may not be happy running on OSX 10.4 in some cases?


Hope you get sorted soon, I know how frustrating banks can be when you cant get to your own money!

Mike

 

[dedee]

Mike, thanks for your post.

Removing all my old bookmarks was one of the things nationwide suggested. I did remove Safari 4 and reinstalled safari 3 to no avail. I have now gone back to V4 as V3 was causing a few problems elsewhere eg it would not talk to apple.com's downloads area.

I've got the leopard box set on order which should arrive in a couple of days, fingers crossed that this solves the problem. Not sure I need latest ilife and iworks but the box set was cheaper than leopard on its own!


Cheers

Andy

 

[cambournepete]

Another though - have you deleted all your temporary internet files, cookies, etc?

One of my work home users was having issues with our web meeting software until he did this. OK, he's on windows, but it might help...

 

[dedee]

Pete, thanks for the thought.

Yep deleted all history and the cache etc.

I am pinning all my hopes on leopard now.

Andy

 

[RogerS]

You could always do a clean install of Tiger which will bring over the old Safari IIRC and you could start afresh :twisted:

 

[dedee]

Roger,
I've ordered leopard now and amongst lots of other benefits it is about time I had a new avatar.

I hope that the upgrade to leopard will be a lot less work than a clean install of Tiger which would, correct me if I'm wrong, mean that I would have to reinstall all the other applications.

Cheers

Andy

 

[rex_wood]

Hi dedee

I haven't tried leopard. (still using tiger on my Macs)
But according to my and others' experiences, please do "clean" install while you upgrade from 10.X to 10.Y.


Which means, you have to back up all your valuable data (docs, pictures, musics, etc.) to another disk. (better a removable disk)

And then format the OS disk for a clean installation. Then you have to install all applications and put everything back from the removable disk to this new OS.


A lot of work, that's why I'm still using my tiger. But it is neccessary because none of us want to re-check what's wrong with the OS later.

 

[kityuser]

Hi dedee

I haven't tried leopard. (still using tiger on my Macs)
But according to my and others' experiences, please do "clean" install while you upgrade from 10.X to 10.Y.


Which means, you have to back up all your valuable data (docs, pictures, musics, etc.) to another disk. (better a removable disk)

And then format the OS disk for a clean installation. Then you have to install all applications and put everything back from the removable disk to this new OS.


A lot of work, that's why I'm still using my tiger. But it is neccessary because none of us want to re-check what's wrong with the OS later.

get a a cheap FW disk and use carbon cloner to backup your tiger onto the external drive, you can then boot from this disk if everything goes west!

I`ve used safari 4 on tiger and leopard extensively and up to now not had many issues.

I think I probably would have been tempted to battle on for a bit. I probably would have looked into one of the many free "traffic sniffers" available to see exactly what network traffic was being rx/tx at the problematic time. But then again I design chips that so these sorts of things so I have a morbid fascination and I also HATE not understanding something

So let me get this right, you tried safari 3/4, opera, and firefox and non of them would communicate with the nationwide system? sounds like an OS issue to me.........

good luck

Steve

 

[dedee]

Rex,
thanks for the post sounds like good advice.

Stive, thanks for the post.
FW = Firewire? Any chance of a recommendation as such things are way over my head.

***edit Carbon cloner = http://www.5star-shareware.com/Mac/Util ... c-mac.html ??

You are right safari 3 worked OK with tiger and the Nationwide.

I upgraded to safari 4 from software update and although I could view the accounts I could not get to the transactions/payments area, safari just froze.

I Tried Firefox, Opera and Camino all to no avail. I removed S4 and reloaded S3 and then had problems elsewhere eg Apple.com downloads pages. I am now back with S4 with with the original problems.

I've ordered leopard and I'm quite happy to get an external drive as may be useful for future backups, at the moment I backup to DVD using disk utility.

Cheers

Andy

 

[RogerS]

Just had a thought. Did you try deleting your prefs file for safari? In fcat anything in the librry or app support to do with safari? OK - you'll lose bookmarks and cookies but in your case that's a least-worse case scenario. It's worth a go while you're waiting for Leopard.

Reading a bit more about Safari there does appear to be some serious security issues with it and apple did bring out a patch (although the experts claim that it isn't enough but that's another story) and it may be this patch that has messed up all your browsers from accessing Nationwide.

As for the new instal...

To be honest, Andy, if I was in your position then I would buy a couple of FW (Firewire) external drives as they are cheap and make a backup of my data and registration codes for my applications on one of them. Then when I got Leopard, I'd boot from the Leopard disk and reformat my computer drive and do a complete clean instal.

Go for the custom option and remove all those pesky foreign fonts as that will save you oodles of disk space. French is a very good one to get rid of :wink: Seriously unless you want all those foreign language fonts then why use up the space? Then run software update and get the latest security patches for your Mac.

Try Safari (think it will be version 3) with Nationwide. See if it is OK.

Then upgrade Safari to v4 and then chck Nationwide is OK.

Then load up your apps and set up your email accounts etc. Get any updates for your apps and load them. That way you're getting as clean an environment to start from as you can. And you don't run the risk of reloading any erroneous or incompatible files etc.

Check your Nationwide account again etc.

Then remove your disk drive that you've backed up onto and put it somewhere safe. Take your other new drive and set it up to be a Time Machine backup drive.

 

[kityuser]

Rex,
thanks for the post sounds like good advice.

Stive, thanks for the post.
FW = Firewire? Any chance of a recommendation as such things are way over my head.

***edit Carbon cloner = http://www.5star-shareware.com/Mac/Util ... c-mac.html ??

You are right safari 3 worked OK with tiger and the Nationwide.

I upgraded to safari 4 from software update and although I could view the accounts I could not get to the transactions/payments area, safari just froze.

I Tried Firefox, Opera and Camino all to no avail. I removed S4 and reloaded S3 and then had problems elsewhere eg Apple.com downloads pages. I am now back with S4 with with the original problems.

I've ordered leopard and I'm quite happy to get an external drive as may be useful for future backups, at the moment I backup to DVD using disk utility.

Cheers

Andy

if you get a FW (firewire) drive then you'll be able to boot straight from it.
CCC, yes thats the one, nice and free lets you create an exact copy of your boot disk, I always use it to backup my entire system before doing any updates (on either 10.4 or 10.5).

as for which disk, I`ve had problems with Western Digital, but have stuck with them. External disks are notorious for overheating thier chipsets via being passively cooled. best to do a quick google when you pick a model to see if it has issues.

This does sound all rather strange, but if you don't have the time to play then a fresh install of 10.5 is the way to go (once you've cloned to an external disk).
DONT do an update whatever you do, WIPE the drive THEN install 10.5 from fresh.

another option to rule out your router/ISP is to get a linux live CD, I used to have one kicking around for a G4, you can still get them for PPC, just download it, burn and boot from it, then give it a try via firefox on the livecd...........

Steve