G S Haydon":3t67zqlw said:
My current #4 is from the 1960's, works like a charm when the going gets tough. I have not experienced the issue you mention, I got lucky perhaps! They all seem to be made very well.
It'd be great to have the ear of Leonard Bailey!
Hi GSH.
As I said in the previous post, the patent drawing of Mr Bailey's double iron shows the cap-iron laying parallel (flat) on the iron, right down to the point where it begins the distinctive hump. IIRC the patent emphasizes how the cap-iron supports the cutting iron at either end of the "hump" (in the same way that Record and Clifton assert that the two-piece cap iron does).
However, when you examine any "Bailey" cap-iron made from the 1930s on (and possibly earlier) you will see that the leading edge of the hump is too big and holds the cap-iron clear of the cutting iron in this important area. I tried a number of cap-irons in an old damaged No.4 to see if any seat the way Leonard Bailey intended.
1950s Stanley irons - note that the gap between the two irons begins just below the cap-iron screw, and grows larger the closer it gets to the "hump". This fails to comply with Baileys patent.
1960s Stanley irons - another fail
1940s Canadian Stanley irons - close, but not quite.
Marples irons - Fail
1950s Record irons - Fail
1950s Record irons - Fail
1950s Record irons - Fail
Wartime Record 2-piece - look at that !! 8) Nice and tight all the way down to the top of the deflector. This is why I believe the Record/Clifton 2-piece is a good design of cap-iron - it achieves what Leonard Bailey set out to do in 1867.
With the cap-iron screw pulling the two irons together in the middle, but the leading edge of the cap-iron forcing the two irons apart, there is a certain amount of tension in the irons (possibly a good thing). Most of the tension is relived by the softer cap-iron bowing, but it is inevitable that the cutting iron also bows a little. This will result in the cutting iron only contacting the frog face at the bottom (near the mouth) and towards the top. The lever-cap will to some extent counter this, but where it fails to - chatter.
It seems daft to install a pair of irons that, through poor manufacturing, are trying to lift off the frog face - exactly the opposite to what is wanted to avoid chatter.
In spite of this many experienced woodworkers get good results from their Bailey style planes - but many potential woodworkers fail and give up (like I did in the 1970s).
Cheers, Vann.