Record No4....Done

[woden]

Hi, Colin.

When you buy the Clifton cap iron does it not come with a screw? I would have thought that would have been an integral part of the cap iron's make up. :?

 

[Paul Chapman]

Not sure why you can't see the picture - it's OK on my PC.

That #5 is actually a Stay Set model which came with the Record Stay Set cap iron. The two piece cap iron that Clifton make is in fact identical to the Record one and I use them in my all my Record and Clifton planes. Here's a picture of the Clifton cap iron on the left and the Record Stay Set cap iron on the right

The Stay Set models of Record planes had "SS" on the lever caps as in the pictures below

I now use Clifton blades and cap irons in all my Record planes. They fit perfectly OK but ideally need the 'Y' lever extending and the mouth opening.

These days the Clifton cap irons come with a longer screw.

Hope you can see the pictures.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Paul Chapman]

Hi again Woden,

This week I fitted a Clifton blade to my Record #5 Stay Set plane. It works OK with the existing 'Y' lever and with the mouth opened out a bit. Here is a picture of the Clifton blade and Stay Set cap iron in the plane. You will see that the 'Y' lever extends about half-way across the thickness of the slot, so it works OK but ideally the 'Y' lever needs extending a little as Rob explained in his "Fun with Y levers" post. The blade is 3.1mm thick.

Hope this helps.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[woden]

For some reason I can't see those pictures either, Paul. There must be something funny with my computer at the moment. I can't get into ebay either at the moment and that's really annoying me as I'd planned to bid on a particular plane - and the auction ends this evening. Aaaaargh, so annoying.

Would you say that the Victor blades on Cliftons are every bit as good as the Lie Nielsen, Veritas or Hock blades? I just wonder if the Clifton cap iron is as good as the ground versions that are made by and unfortunately only fit Lie Nielsen planes. Are they as thick or as sturdy?

 

[Colin C]

Woden

When you buy a Clifton cap iron, it does not come with the screw as you should use the one from the original cap iron but as mine was is an old one (mark 6-7 if I have looked it up right :? ).

Clifton where very nice to send me two new screws for free ( which was very nice of them ) and now have it in my #7

 

[Paul Chapman]

Would you say that the Victor blades on Cliftons are every bit as good as the Lie Nielsen, Veritas or Hock blades? I just wonder if the Clifton cap iron is as good as the ground versions that are made by and unfortunately only fit Lie Nielsen planes. Are they as thick or as sturdy?

As with most things, you will find that there are endless debates about which blades are best. I would say that all the top makes - LN, Clifton, Veritas, Hock - are excellent and to try to separate them is rather like splitting hairs. I have four Clifton planes and four other planes with their blades and cap irons. I particularly like their cap iron and think it is one of the best designs available. However, some people don't like it - usually because they forget to keep their finger on the detachable bit when they remove it from the plane and it drops off :roll: If you look at the picture of Rob's renovated Record #4 it has one of my Clifton blades and cap irons in it temporarily until Rob gets his own. You will see that the blade is thick (3.1mm) as is the cap iron. The detachable bit of the cap iron is even thicker and is a piece of machined metal. One of the things I like about the cap iron is that it helps to make the blade even more rigid.

I like Clifton planes and have now standardised on their blades. This has the added advantage that I now have several blades and cap irons which are interchangeable between several planes.

If you are undecided, see if you can get together with other forum members in your area and try out different planes and blades. A lot does come down to personal preference.

Hope this helps a bit.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Paul Chapman]

Woden

When you buy a Clifton cap iron, it does not come with the screw

Colin,

If you look at the Classic Hand Tools site, it says that the Clifton cap iron comes with an extra long screw http://www.classichandtools.com/acatalo ... lades.html

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Bainzy]

Did Record ever make a Bedrock style frog?

 

[Colin C]

Woden

When you buy a Clifton cap iron, it does not come with the screw

Colin,

If you look at the Classic Hand Tools site, it says that the Clifton cap iron comes with an extra long screw http://www.classichandtools.com/acatalo ... lades.html

Cheers :wink:

Paul

Thanks for that Paul

I got mine from Tilgear and they dont come with the screw so will have to look at that for my next one

 

[Paul Chapman]

Did Record ever make a Bedrock style frog?

Not as far as I am aware. The only manufacturers of Bedrock-style planes that I know of are Stanley with their old 600 series, Lie Nielsen, Clifton and Patrick Leach offers this #1 size Bedrock http://www.supertool.com/601.htm

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Anonymous]

Lovely and shiny, but how does it work? :lol:

 

[Newbie_Neil]

Hi Tony

Lovely and shiny, but how does it work? :lol:

You should really wash your mouth out. You know you don't ask a c****ector such a question. :lol:

Cheers
Neil

PS Rob, I'm sorry but I just couldn't resist it. :wink:

 

[Alf]

A collector wouldn't do that to a tool either. Not sure what this comes under - a fettling fetish?

Cheers, Alf

 

[woden]

...I particularly like their cap iron and think it is one of the best designs available. However, some people don't like it - usually because they forget to keep their finger on the detachable bit when they remove it from the plane and it drops off If you look at the picture of Rob's renovated Record #4 it has one of my Clifton blades and cap irons in it temporarily until Rob gets his own. You will see that the blade is thick (3.1mm) as is the cap iron...

The two piece cap iron actually scares me a bit, mainly because I can be a bit of a klutz and am prone to drop/walk into things if I'm not careful. Also, only the lower section of the Clifton CI is machined from thick steel and this almost seems like an admission of a lack of ambition when compared to the fully machined offerings from Lie Nielsen and Hock. The other seeming advantage of the LN blades is that they're even thicker at 3.75mm when compared with Clifton/Victors 3.1mm - isn't that about 16% extra if my maths is correct. I'm not trying pick holes in your choice but just doing a bit of research and pondering from a novice's perspective. :?

And the reason why I've looked again at LN's offering is that according to David Charlesworth on this thread he seems to have his students fit their blade/CI combination during his short plane tuning courses. So I presume the LN combination must be compatible with Stanleys/Records.

 

[Paul Chapman]

Hi again Woden,

If you are undecided, I think you really need to look at and, if possible, try out the blades and cap irons that you are considering. All the good ones are excellent and, as I said, a lot comes down to personal preference. I made my choice a long time ago and have no regrets - but I dare say the ones who chose LN, Veritas and Hock would say the same

At recent get-together, Rob (Woodbloke), Pete (Newt) and I were comparing planes (Clifton, LN, Record Calvert Stevens and Norris) https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/view ... hp?t=16885. We found that they all produced equally excellent results with fine shavings similar to those in David Charlesworth's video clips. What varied most was how the planes felt in use and there were subtle differences which explained why one person preferred a particular plane over another. But in terms of performance the different planes and blades were virtually identical.

I'm not an expert on the LN cap irons. Some have had difficulty fitting them to Stanley/Record planes but others don't seem to have had problems. Possibly they make two versions. Perhaps someone who has fitted them successfully can comment?

Good luck with whatever you choose :wink:

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[woodbloke]

Hi Tony

Lovely and shiny, but how does it work? :lol:

You should really wash your mouth out. You know you don't ask a c****ector such a question. :lol:

Cheers
Neil

PS Rob, I'm sorry but I just couldn't resist it. :wink:

.....oh ****, it's out in the open now, seem to have joined the hallowed ranks of collecting folk west of the Tamar :lol: - Rob

 

[mahking51]

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so while not in the same league as Robs, here is an old Record StaySet 4 1/2 that I have redone from a pile of complete rust, so bad it was all stuck together and took a week soaking in diesel to separate:

I still have the sides and sole to sort out but no problem there; the rear tote repaired OK from quite a ragged split.
I am not quite sure how to replace the rusted and broken rivet that holds the lateral adjuster in place, any thoughts Rob?
When I get the Tormek back from waka I'll do the blade and fettle the front edge of the CB and it'll be ready to go.
Regards,
Martin

 

[woodbloke]

Martin - I used a brass 4BA bolt and washer tho' a 4mm metric bolt would be just as good. You will need to drill out the old rivet from the lever if you havn't done that already...if you're coming to the Bash on 09 Jun you'll be able to have a look at my Record No4 - Rob