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[devonwoody]

Cant I wasn't getting on your back.

However perhaps if you wished, perhaps you could work from home with a wood orientated profession and the combination might solve your problems, Only suggesting not pushing or probing in anyway.

Trying to be helpful.

 

[cant-weld-wood]

devon you are not getting on my back you are ok there.
would love to work from but i have a 8x5 brick shed and a court yard size
rear garden.
and with table saw /router table /pillar drill /mortiser /mitre saw in there its a pain to do things when the weather is bad.
but the good thing its corner plot so the kids have somewhere to play when doing things out the back.

 

[cant-weld-wood]

devon any help is gladly recieved here mate.
as every body knows money is needed to get things going rolling as they sayand there is lack of it in my house.
we ars still paying things of that should be end of next year should be all paid up then just be happy when that is as then i can think more to get things on the go.

 

[devonwoody]

I know what you mean , "the weather is bad", I have just come back from my workshop between these posts.
Decided to swithch every machine on and just give it a spin to get rid of any crud laying on electrical moving parts.

Best wishes and I would love to help and solve your problems.

 

[filsgreen]

I think we have to be careful how we portray lone parents. Many lone parents have either lost their partner or have separated/divorced. What you tend to read in papers like the Daily Mail, is sensational journalism where they highlight the very small minority of people who abuse the system. There are the minority that have no intention of working, but to provide the safety net for the genuine claimants you have to accept this.

After studying sociology at Liverpool University it became apparent that the majority of lone parents would love to return to work when their children were of school age. However, many are precluded from working due to nursery fees they cannot afford or low paid work . If they do find employment some criticize the parent for going to work and leaving the children to fend for themselves after school.

Incidentally, when I studied Sociology in 2000, the cost of benefit fraud was less than the cost of white collar crime in the UK. However the Government find the poor an easier target to pick on, rather than tackling the rich.

Phil

 

[Derek Willis.]

O/k, my turn,
Filgreen says you don't know the circs., o.k, A young woman with two kids, one of school age and one a few years younger has just moved from a rented property near me, where she has been for 3 years, |(on benefit, I might add), to another property that she will be renting, this to be near her mother, the contract on the first one does not run out for another three months £650:00 per month so she has to pay the rent on both, WHO PAYS/?, on top of this she will have given birth to her 3rd child by now, expected in Nov. I am a pensioner on very little, I wish I had all that is fed her way. Oh! by the way there is no sign of any male!!!
Derek.

 

[tnimble]

In today's politics and society the requirement of work is more and more obligatory and what is regarded as work is narrowed, not acting to what is regarded as work is treated more and more like an criminal act.

Performing some job on regular and paid basis for a legal person should be a free choice, a choice as part of the freedom to live your life.

No person or government should dictate how and if: we make a living, contribute to economics, read a book before bed, eat or drink certain product at certain times, decorate our house, life in a house at all, etcetera.

That said this does not mean everybody should just receive benefits. There are two possible scenarios:

- People can perform paid tasks is they choice so. People that do choose not to and who want to life in a house and buy al kinds of goods should; find somebody who wants to give them all those things; have a large amount of money. Paid tasks that can be performed range from what is regarded as a day job to caring for a disabled person and everyting inbetween.

- All people receive a certain amount of quality of life independed of capabilities and responsibilities. Nobody gains more than this certain amount through any means, nor can anybody be deprived from any of this certain amount. The content, form and value of this certain amount is composed of all wealth divided by the number of people and their animal i.e. not an sum of money.

 

[filsgreen]

Derek, what you have described is one example of a lone parent, is she representative of all single men and women who have children and do not work in the UK?

Do you personally know this lady and her circumstances? I'm not going to be naive and say that she is not abusing the welfare system, but on the face of it you appear to be making assumptions about her. I bet not many people can say that they haven't got a relative or a friend who has a child and claims benefits, does that make them "scroungers"

Like I said in my previous post, you have to accept the minority so that the genuine can claim. Or would you prefer it to be the good old days before the welfare state where people starved or were sent to workhouses?

Phil

 

[devonwoody]

filsgreen, your views are the second option, which is acceptable to you on your views stated.

 

[Derek Willis.]

Filsgreen,
I have got to know this young lady as she has been my neighbour for three years, when she first moved in she had a quality motor, she changed it to something a lttle bit cheaper, saying 'I can't afford it!' six moths later a much more expensive motor came on the scene, then a year later an even more expensive one, she has regular visits from social services, used to have a series of men, but now none since she became pregnant, the landlord has let to social services for the last ten years as the rent is guarunteed. Yes she is milking it!!!
Derek.

 

[filsgreen]

DW, I find the situation acceptable as it is preferable to the alternative. I just pay my taxes and try not to think about the people who abuse the welfare system.

C'est la vie Derek, she is possibly one of the minority who "works" the system.

Phil

 

[Rich]

DW, I find the situation acceptable as it is preferable to the alternative. I just pay my taxes and try not to think about the people who abuse the welfare system.

C'est la vie Derek, she is possibly one of the minority who "works" the system.

Phil

With all due respect Phil, trying not to think about it wiil not make the problem go away, positive action is needed, and I don't think it will be provided by the present government, it is in their interest to give as much benefit as possible as this will ensure votes at the next election.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but things HAVE to be said.

Rich.

 

[filsgreen]

I am not ignoring the situation Rich I voted at local and general elections, what more can I do?

 

[Rich]

I suppose the only thing you can do is vote for the party that YOU think will best look after yours and the countries interests, I have to do the same no offence meant and none intended.

Regards,

Rich.

 

[filsgreen]

Non taken Rich. Thinking about it I don't think I can even vote now, I'm not sure :? .

Phil

 

[Rich]

slightly off topic I know, but I need educating here, our local health authority (Berkshire healthcare NHS) has advertised in the local evening paper (Reading evening post) for someone to fill the position of...wait for it.... Membership involvement officer :shock: the remuneration for this must have post is £38.352.pa. I give up. :?

Regards,

Rich.