R.Groves & Sons Tenon Saw WIP FINISHED

[bugbear]

Just hit a bit of a snag. Thought I would put the groves saw in the saw clamp and it wont fit

there is not enough plate clear to cut the new teeth. The brass back is hitting the clamp nut. So im either going to have to take the brass back off, which I dont really want to do. Or not use the clamp and use a length of battern with a kerf cut into it :?

I use that paramo clamp, and I can't get to the end of my hand saw;

As you can see, the (ghostly) saw handle fouls on the vise framing.

BugBear

 

[DannyEssex]

Thats a great picture =D> =D>

I did try to do the same but couldn't work out how you done it :lol: So I reverted to paint, the yellow rectangle is the brass back hitting the clamp I was hoping to use the saw clamp, but have bodged together a Lie Nielsen-ish style one for now

 

[DannyEssex]

Well the file arrived from WH this morning so I printed off the template had jumped into it. TBH im not very impressed with the Bacho file, the front is chipped and crumbling away before it's even touched the saw, is that normal for a file or have I got a faulty specimen lol.

I started with one full stroke to make the mark, I then whipped away the template and worked my way down the saw with one full stroke per tooth.

I have messed up a few teeth by the spacing so be kind its all in the learning process lol

Had to leave it to go to work so will carry on in the morning

 

[DannyEssex]

The file looks a lot worse in the hand

 

[lurcher]

hi danny i also had the same problem with bacho files they are not very good
look for a 5" double extra slim file for the job
nice work with the saw mate

 

[DannyEssex]

Cheers mate, £13 odd quid for the bacho file! :? That was the 5 double extra slim.

 

[DannyEssex]

Well I set out to finish the saw this morning from where I left off yesterday. I made a right mess of it yesterday and decided to start from scratch this morning. I filled the badly shapped teeth and this time was a lot more methodical about it all. I took my time and this is the end result. It cuts nice but there are some things I would do differently next time round.

 

[Cheshirechappie]

A splendid result, sir!

The good thing about it is that not only do you now have a very nice saw in full working order, but you've overcome the challenge of sawfiling, so can now keep it in tip-top order for as long as you need it. Sawfiling, like sharpening, is one of those things you get better and better at with practice.

The only danger to watch out for now is that you'll spend all summer trawling the local car-boot sales, and finish up knee-deep in reconditioned vintage saws!

 

[DannyEssex]

Thanks CC, im really happy with it. It really is a lovely saw to use, just spent some time cutting up scraps and its great. There is a huge difference to my dirt cheap hard point, the heaviness takes some getting used to lol

 

[bugbear]

I'm late to this party, it appears. Anyway, I threw a big brass back saw into my (Woden) saw vise. Fits fine?

I'm assuming my Woden is VERY similar to your Paramo vise, so I don't see
why your saw wouldn't fit.

BugBear

 

[bugbear]

The only danger to watch out for now is that you'll spend all summer trawling the local car-boot sales, and finish up knee-deep in reconditioned vintage saws!

Could that happen? *innocent face*

BugBear

 

[Cheshirechappie]

Thanks CC, im really happy with it. It really is a lovely saw to use, just spent some time cutting up scraps and its great. There is a huge difference to my dirt cheap hard point, the heaviness takes some getting used to lol

That weight is one of the things that makes the older saws such a joy to use, once you're used to it. You just completely relax your grip on the handle, and with index finger pointed forward along the blade pivot from the shoulder and elbow and allow the weight of the saw to do all the work. All you have to do is keep it on line.

One slight downside of the weight is that the saw can be a bit awkward to start - the sharp teeth dig in with all the weight on them, and the saw jams. Pushing harder just makes it jump unpredictably. The trick then is to 'take the weight off' - support the saw with a slightly tighter grip (the horns on the handle help a bit here), and glide the tips of the teeth over the job until a definite kerf is established, guiding it with the thumb of your off hand - rather as if you're bringing a plane in to land, and want a soft touch-down. Once there's a defined kerf, you can remove your off hand, relax your grip on the handle and let the saw do the work again.

 

[G S Haydon]

Excellent Danny!

 

[pedder]

Late, too. But might help the next time:

Thought I would put the groves saw in the saw clamp and it wont fit

There is not enough plate clear to cut the new teeth. The brass back is hitting the clamp nut. So im either going to have to take the brass back off, which I dont really want to do. ?

Sounds like that problem:

1/4 hours with the big scrub file later

Cheers Pedder

 

[bugbear]

My Woden is thus:

BugBear

 

[DannyEssex]

Mine is like pedders. Will do that when I get a chance

 

[bugbear]

Mine is like peddlers. Will do that when I get a chance

I'll check mine for file marks! Curious that the makers were making vises that can't hold back saws.

BugBear

 

[DannyEssex]

Thanks for the tip pedder


Sorry for the poor pictures but just rushed out to have a look, and decided to file off the protruding part, and it now takes the Groves saw, so happy days lol

Thanks again guys

 

[DannyEssex]

Just to add, the saw plate is just shy of 2 1/2" from the tip of the teeth to the bottom of the brass back


EDIT sorry Pedder, been calling you peddler

 

[pedder]

Hi Danny,

no problem, that happens every now and then to me. :lol:

You should clamp the saw shorter. The bottom of the gullet should be only as far away from the top of the vise as you plan to file. Reduces noise and more important it saves the file.


Cheers
Pedder