President Elect's 'top team'

[Jake]

I provided the evidence, the interview showing exactly what he said

That's just one interview, you need to post them all before proving the negative. In fact you need 24hr film of his whole life. Have you got that Robin, have you?

No I didn't think so.

I win so I'm off to polish my RWM of the Year Cup.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Ooh give it a rest... always harping on about Trump with your obsessive hate posts...have a day off!

Posted anything about Starmer lately? In a thread that has nothing to do with Starmer?
At least this thread is about Trump...
I don't believe you are in any position to ask anyone to give it a rest. In fact, if you had just a teensy weensy bit of self awareness, you'd have to agree.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

This is exactly what it looks like. Sums up his whole administration. If he cared about his country and his population, even in losing he would take care of their best interests. This is not.

I've already posted why the claim "Biden did this to mess with Trump" is untrue.

 

[Spectric]

Only history will judge, the republicans look like sore losers and are not happy losing everything but are trying to leave a mess behind for the Democrats, no not old Joes soiled underwear but just causing uneccessary trouble and de stabilising the planet. In any other business if the head got to the state old Joes in they would be replaced before they had any impact on the company, the same as an employee who gets sacked, removed there and then so as not to cause any issues so why is old Joe still in the whitehouse.

 

[TRITON]

Seen the interview with Elon Musks dad ?

Holy jeezus god almighty thats a scary face. You can see why is son is a complete fruitloop

And WTAF is going on with those eyebrows

 

[ey_tony]

Posted anything about Starmer lately? In a thread that has nothing to do with Starmer?
At least this thread is about Trump...
I don't believe you are in any position to ask anyone to give it a rest. In fact, if you had just a teensy weensy bit of self awareness, you'd have to agree.

You just don't get it do you? You're another of the obsessives. When I check my alerts it's three posts from you all having a go simply for daring to have a differing opinion to some of the left wing nonsense and drivel spouted on here by other obsessive ideologues which I'd argue says far more about you and others rather than just me.

As for my criticism of Starmer in this thread. Yes the thread is unsurprisingly anti-Trump but Trump is not my president and never will be, however Starmer unfortunately IS in charge of the UK which does affect ME personally so I have a right to draw comparisons and criticise him and his bunch of buffoons as he's already a proven liar and arguably incompetent but even then I don't obsess about him.

 

[Chris Puttick]

PS In fact it is essential that MPs do not merely vote according to popular majority opinion, when we are bombarded daily from dubious media sources and a whole range of pressure groups, lobbyists, dodgy geezers, with a whole load of BS which is not in our interests.
MPs are supposed to be making well informed and intelligent decisions on our behalf, whether we like it or not. Otherwise what would be the point of them?

Time for an Edmund Burke quote

"...it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; theirbusiness, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice hisrepose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own. But his unbiassed opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion."

 

[Blackswanwood]

Only history will judge, the republicans look like sore losers and are not happy losing everything but are trying to leave a mess behind for the Democrats, no not old Joes soiled underwear but just causing uneccessary trouble and de stabilising the planet. In any other business if the head got to the state old Joes in they would be replaced before they had any impact on the company, the same as an employee who gets sacked, removed there and then so as not to cause any issues so why is old Joe still in the whitehouse.

I bet Joe knows which party is which though, The Republicans won.

Ironic that you feel Biden is confused …

 

[RobinBHM]

but even then I don't obsess about him

Err Tony you were up making a post at 4.17, moaning about Starmer on a thread about a different topic.

Just sayin

 

[RobinBHM]

why is old Joe still in the whitehouse.

Why is Dementia DonOld going into the White House?

A reality TV star who falsely claimed the election was stolen, incited insurrection, is a convicted felon,

Comparing the 2 it’s clear Biden is the more competent candidate…..and his face isn’t orange.

 

[Jacob]

Time for an Edmund Burke quote
........... Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion."

Exactly!
Which is not to say that the constituents should not have opinions and the right to try to influence their representative's judgement. In fact the more public debate/dispute about issues the better.
One of the most stupid and anti democratic ideas that often crops up is the veto on talking about ***, religion and politics. Come to think *** and religion don't get talked about much anyway, as far as I can see. Why not? Maybe we are all getting sorted out on those fronts?

 

[Scruples]

Nearly there!
Brexit certainly was a concern but was not in our interests.


They voted for brexit. Was that in your interests?

PS In fact it is essential that MPs do not merely vote according to popular majority opinion, when we are bombarded daily from dubious media sources and a whole range of pressure groups, lobbyists, dodgy geezers, with a whole load of BS which is not in our interests.
MPs are supposed to be making well informed and intelligent decisions on our behalf, whether we like it or not. Otherwise what would be the point of them?

They represented the people with that vote. In a lot of constituencies around the country, the MPs heard the message and, in their best interests, they listened. To have ignored the voters would have meant curtailed political careers.

Whether Brexit is in our interests or not, will be decided in ten years from now. We need to get over the financial loss from the pandemic first. Then, there's four years of Labour to slow that process down. The trade issues will be resolved. New deals with India are looking good, as long as Putin doesn't interfere.

However the next ten years turns out, we are out of the EU and for that, we should be grateful.

 

[Jacob]

They represented the people with that vote. In a lot of constituencies around the country, the MPs heard the message and, in their best interests, they listened. To have ignored the voters would have meant curtailed political careers.

True in the sense that unscrupulous and incompetent MPs obviously saw their careers as the main issue. Where are they now?
Read previous posts.

 

[John Brown]

Only history will judge, the republicans look like sore losers and are not happy losing everything but are trying to leave a mess behind for the Democrats, no not old Joes soiled underwear but just causing uneccessary trouble and de stabilising the planet. In any other business if the head got to the state old Joes in they would be replaced before they had any impact on the company, the same as an employee who gets sacked, removed there and then so as not to cause any issues so why is old Joe still in the whitehouse.

????
Maybe it's time to stand down, and let the vice moderator take over...

 

[RobinBHM]

They represented the people with that vote. In a lot of constituencies around the country, the MPs heard the message and, in their best interests, they listened. To have ignored the voters would have meant curtailed political careers

So what you are saying is that MPs acted in the interests of their careers by supporting brexit, not in the interests of their constituents, which was to remain in the EU

We need to get over the financial loss from the pandemic first.

evidence already shows brexit damage

Then, there's four years of Labour to slow that process down

you mean reversing the damage

The trade issues will be resolved

impossible

we left the single market, so non tariff barriers are permanent, you cant alter that

additional costs and delays are caused by:

rules of origin
sanitary and phytosanitary controls
transit documents
CE and other regulatory compliance
cabotage restrictions
customs documents
loss of FOM affecting musicians and other travelling professions
requirements for ATA carnets

New deals with India are looking good

there is no chance of a beneficial trade deal with India. A) because India is protectionist on trade B) because India would want unacceptable visa access to UK C) because the Indian market is fragmented, especially on services D) because its a market which is thousands of miles away unlike EU which is er about 25 miles with direct truck and train connections

The UK was full of foreign goods from India, China, America, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, etc etc whilst we were a member...............the claim that there was a massive untapped opportunity was always false. Since brexit our trade with EU has gone up not down (although sadly now with restrictive trade barriers which are now costing us all dearly)


With USA becoming isolationist, we need to turn more than ever to the EU to grow our trade and relationship






Do you think the people who Trump has elected will act in the interests of the people or in the interests of furthering their careers and vested interests


A conspiracy theorist in charge of health
or somebody whose interests lie with the fossil fuel industry in charge of energy
or Elon Musk in charge of what..............cutting regulations for himself

This thread is about Trumps top team

 

[ey_tony]

I spotted the Trump/Biden mistake earlier but concluded that there's a subtle difference between accidentally typing the wrong names in the wrong place and most of the bigoted left wing tripe which is regularly posted on here where it's no accident. What excuse is there for that?

...and besides, does anyone have an update as to whether the sausages were saved that Starmer was so het up about?
All he had to do was read his script and not just think about his breakfast!

 

[Terry - Somerset]

Time for an Edmund Burke quote

"...it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; theirbusiness, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice hisrepose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own. But his unbiassed opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion."

Edmund Burke was born about 300 years ago in 1729. In 1832 the Great Reform Act was passed which actually started to rid politics of rotten boroughs, gave the vote to middle class men (not women), removed property and tax obligations from MPs qualifications etc.

The quote is a very sound bit of text which no doubt reflected the somewhat arrogant views of a ruling elite during his life, but fails to differentiate those circumstances today in which the personal judgement of a representative should prevail over the wishes of the electorate.

Some considerations before imposing a personal view:

• it should be a matter of real substance, not trivial or incidental
• it should reflect the strength of constituent opinion and applied only in marginal cases
• it may be an issue where personal moral beliefs take precedence - eg: assisted dying
• ultimately the wider electorate can and should elect an alternative at the next opportunity

 

[ey_tony]

So what you are saying is that MPs acted in the interests of their careers by supporting brexit, not in the interests of their constituents, which was to remain in the EU


evidence already shows brexit damage


you mean reversing the damage


impossible

we left the single market, so non tariff barriers are permanent, you cant alter that

additional costs and delays are caused by:

rules of origin
sanitary and phytosanitary controls
transit documents
CE and other regulatory compliance
cabotage restrictions
customs documents
loss of FOM affecting musicians and other travelling professions
requirements for ATA carnets


there is no chance of a beneficial trade deal with India. A) because India is protectionist on trade B) because India would want unacceptable visa access to UK C) because the Indian market is fragmented, especially on services D) because its a market which is thousands of miles away unlike EU which is er about 25 miles with direct truck and train connections

The UK was full of foreign goods from India, China, America, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, etc etc whilst we were a member...............the claim that there was a massive untapped opportunity was always false. Since brexit our trade with EU has gone up not down (although sadly now with restrictive trade barriers which are now costing us all dearly)


With USA becoming isolationist, we need to turn more than ever to the EU to grow our trade and relationship






Do you think the people who Trump has elected will act in the interests of the people or in the interests of furthering their careers and vested interests


A conspiracy theorist in charge of health
or somebody whose interests lie with the fossil fuel industry in charge of energy
or Elon Musk in charge of what..............cutting regulations for himself

This thread is about Trumps top team

Have you actually taken a long hard look at the state of the EU's flagship's economy lately? Anyone who would nail their colours to the mast of that lot would need their brains examined.
As for trading. How is it that UK traders who represent over 50% of the trade with the rest of the world and have all these so-called hoops to jump through in order to trade seem to do it seamlessly while those who trade with the EU find it so difficult?
Perhaps we need to get rid of those who find it difficult to deal with paperwork, rules etc and replace them with companies which don't have the same aversions.

Some weeks ago I pointed out that the UK was in a strong position to re-negotiate trading terms etc with the EU but as usual was poo poo'd by the Europhiles.

Well wouldn't you know it transpires that the German car market is in freefall and bearing in mind that as of 2022 the UK was the EU's LARGEST market for vehicle exports, we could have re-negotiated better trading deals with Germany and the EU in order for them to stave off a further collapse of an already failing motor industry, so perhaps some of you intellectual economic pygmies might just care to rethink your pomposity.

I can't see Starmer and the rest of the Europhiles doing that of course as the EU is by and large left wing but that's the route that should be taken instead of listening to the usual doom and gloom coming from the naysayers and gloom ridden remain voters who are dragging the country down at any and every opportunity.

 

[Fergie 307]

The circus grows (WWE co-founder for education secretary)... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rl8knmg8eo

I can see why the Trump camp is so happy. It's just like the old Soviet days, when people were chosen primarily for their ideological reliability.
Whether they knew the first thing about the job was very much a secondary consideration.
Will probably turn out just as well.

 

[Jacob]

Edmund Burke was born about 300 years ago in 1729. In 1832 the Great Reform Act was passed which actually started to rid politics of rotten boroughs, gave the vote to middle class men (not women), removed property and tax obligations from MPs qualifications etc.

The quote is a very sound bit of text which no doubt reflected the somewhat arrogant views of a ruling elite during his life, but fails to differentiate those circumstances today in which the personal judgement of a representative should prevail over the wishes of the electorate.

Some considerations before imposing a personal view:

It's supposed to be a well informed, researched, thoroughly discussed view.

• it should reflect the strength of constituent opinion and applied only in marginal cases

No, this is a complete misunderstanding of our democratic process.
It should reflect the best judgement of the representative.
That is what he is elected for, not just to convey opinions. That's what market researchers and opinion polls do. Would you replace MPs with opinion pollsters?

• it may be an issue where personal moral beliefs take precedence - eg: assisted dying

and surely morality should take precedence?

• ultimately the wider electorate can and should elect an alternative at the next opportunity

as they do.