President Elect's 'top team'

[Noel]

One of the reasons why people voted for Trump was his stance on NATO. The ordinary people were fed up of the government using their hard earned money for other people's wars and being the main cash cow.
Trump is more interested in the welfare of his own country rather than interfering in the nations of others and unless it's in the USA's interests I can see him not getting involved and quite frankly I really don't blame him.
There are new economic kids on the block so he will have his work cut out with dealing with those without spending time sorting out other people's conflicts.

You believe that? NATO was an influence for "ordinary people" on how they voted? I'd say if you walked up 5th Avenue NYC, the Strip in Vegas or Court Avenue in Des Moines you'd be hard pressed to find anybody that even knows what NATO is.
Aside from party affiliation/conservatism I think most know that views on the economy, immigration, "anti politician", abortion, gender issues and all the other usual MAGA stuff influenced voters. NATO, never made the list and there's little point using false information to back up your narrative.

 

[martin45]

ey_tony said:

"Trump is more interested in the welfare of his own country rather than interfering in the nations of others and unless it's in the USA's interests I can see him not getting involved and quite frankly I really don't blame him."

Well, if he stops funding and supporting Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing in the Middle East he will be a welcome change from the war criminals Biden and Harris.

I somehow doubt it but I hope your correct!

 

[RobinBHM]

Trump is more interested in the welfare of his own country

Tony, the people Trump is choosing for his team show the polar opposite.........and then theres Project 2025

 

[Terry - Somerset]

LOL - I was over Brexit before it was voted - just to hold a referendum meant devaluing the measure of honesty and integrity.

It is that point that I will never get over. And neither should I, or anyone else for that matter. That people prefer to be fed lies and accept them willingly, without thought or scrutiny or analysis - thick as mince - and yet having an over-inflated opinion of both themselves and the efficacy of their rubbish opinions - despite the body of evidence that supports the contrary. We all need to do more to combat that particularly insidious "inside threat".

People like to be told what they want to hear. It reinforces the belief they know best.

They did not vote for Brexit knowing it wrong or because they are personally thick. They voted for Brexit because they thought it was right. And the people they trusted told them so.

You and I may regard them as thick, or at the very least, misguided but it was their judgement.

There were also many highly intelligent and able folk who thought Brexit right - I personally knew many whose judgement and behaviours I had (and still have) the utmost respect for.

We disagreed - but they had every right to come to the conclusions they did based on the same information I had to form a different opinion.

The slogans "take back control" and "get Brexit done" and "no deal is better than a bad deal" were very powerful statements of intent. I recall nothing of even close to similar impact from Remain.

It is no surprise the Brexiteers triumphed against the odds. I recall Nigel Farage wandering around utterly bemused by the turn of events post referendum - he clearly expected to have lost.

Remainers lost the referendum not because the Brexit camp behaved badly - they simply fought a completely rubbish campaign. And in the period during negotiations in 2019 completely failed to engineer any sort of organised resistance to what became inevitable.

 

[curryjunkie]

Of course Chris you and I could engage in a battle of wits over this but sadly judging by your comment, my woke pragmatic reasoning precludes me from engaging with an unarmed combatant!
I happen to think that Trump's re-emergence on the political scene is just what Putin was hoping for...Trump isn't remotely militarily belligerent and Putin got it wrong with the Ukraine invasion so both Putin and Ukraine will both be looking for a face-saving way out and Trump is the key to a negotiated settlement.

Allowing Ukraine unfettered access to the kind of NATO military weapons that could induce major retaliation at this moment in time is utterly half brained and that about sums up Biden...he's not compos mentis so it's the advisers and warmongers who are behind this. The warmongers have been courting the Democrats for their own ends for decades to secure big money therefore we are going to have rival opinions on these matters.

I'm quite sure when a final settlement is reached, neither side will have got what they wanted but further conflict can be averted.

wouldn't be fair, you are unarmed..

 

[curryjunkie]

I can quite see how someone might be described as an intellectual pygmy, but an ideological one?

Dunning kruger in full effect.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

People like to be told what they want to hear. It reinforces the belief they know best.

They did not vote for Brexit knowing it wrong or because they are personally thick. They voted for Brexit because they thought it was right. And the people they trusted told them so.

You and I may regard them as thick, or at the very least, misguided but it was their judgement.

There were also many highly intelligent and able folk who thought Brexit right - I personally knew many whose judgement and behaviours I had (and still have) the utmost respect for.

We disagreed - but they had every right to come to the conclusions they did based on the same information I had to form a different opinion.

The slogans "take back control" and "get Brexit done" and "no deal is better than a bad deal" were very powerful statements of intent. I recall nothing of even close to similar impact from Remain.

It is no surprise the Brexiteers triumphed against the odds. I recall Nigel Farage wandering around utterly bemused by the turn of events post referendum - he clearly expected to have lost.

Remainers lost the referendum not because the Brexit camp behaved badly - they simply fought a completely rubbish campaign. And in the period during negotiations in 2019 completely failed to engineer any sort of organised resistance to what became inevitable.

As a rule, I hate to use the word thick and desperately try to avoid it.

However, in this case, the following certainly holds true:

The "least well educated" voted in larger proportion for Brexit.
(That doesn't itself mean that "least well educated" equates to being thick - this is something I strongly disagree with, but see more...)
The entrenched and partisan views meant that there were a great many individuals who simply brushed aside the true and well evidenced facts, because they didn't want to believe these true and well evidenced facts.
That means those people were Wantonly Ignorant.

That combination, both least well educated, plus Wantonly Ignorant, to me, is a combination that fits with the description of being a bit thick.

This was exactly mirrored in recent US Election. There's a reason that Tangerine loves the least well educated.

I also cannot remember the psychologist who led the research on this, but categorised four different groups according to:
Benefitting others
Harming others
Benefitting self
Harming self.

I might be misremembering, but I think those that fell into the quadrant of harm self AND harm others were classified as thick?

The other classifications?
Bandit - benefit self, harm others (Trump, Farage, Johnson, Tice, Hobbit Yaxley,...)
Intelligent - benefit self, benefit others
Helpless - benefit others, harm self.

 

[Fergie 307]

Dunning kruger in full effect.

Phase 1 I believe, although perhaps unconscious ignorance rather than incompetence in this case

 

[ey_tony]

I love it!
It's like poking a hornet's nest with a stick whenever one says anything that doesn't fit with the forum's Tooting Popular Front's mindset. Just look at yourselves, you're falling over each other in order to attack one person with differing views to your own. It really says it all.
You know bruvvers, if I was in the process of constructing a left wing fool it would be hard to choose whose brain on here I could use as a blueprint! There are so many Wolfie Smiths I'd be spoilt for choice.

Does it not occur to any of you left wing, hard of thinking band of ideologues that the next stage of a potentially escalated war in Europe has just been reached with Biden's approval and the use of long range American provided weapons which have already been fired into Russia?

The West are being slowly sucked further into a war that potentially no one can win but could bring death and destruction on an unimaginable scale if it gets out of hand. Forget your global warming and net-zero nonsense, this is on a different level.

I've no doubt Putin will retaliate, he has been given no other choice in order to save face, I just hope it's measured otherwise prepare your kids and grand kids for the possibility of national service.
Let's just hope that Trump has enough influence now to prevent Putin from overreacting to Biden's stupidity.

 

[sploo]

The circus grows (WWE co-founder for education secretary)... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rl8knmg8eo

 

[RobinBHM]

next stage of a potentially escalated war in Europe has just been reached

WRONG

Ukraine has been fighting in mainland Russia for a long time.

I've no doubt Putin will retaliate

Evidence says you are WRONG

Poor old Putin has been having a strop almost monthly for 2 years as the West has done thing continuously crossing his red lines.

I think he might’ve had almost as many strops as you eh Tony.

already been fired into Russia?

Fantastic news.

When is Biden going to send ultra long range missiles that can flatten the Kremlin.


The problem with you Tony is you’ve no cajones. Real men take on bully’s like Putin and put in his place. Biden is a real man, Trump is a scaredy cat, as are his followers

The problem is Tony, in your heart you know you are totally wrong,….it’s why you spend 24/7 on here desperately stating endlessly how everybody else is wrong…….it’s all about trying to convince yourself

 

[Chris152]

The circus grows (WWE co-founder for education secretary)... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rl8knmg8eo

So, the Department of Education will be replaced by the Department of Indoctrination, and Dr Oz '"will work closely with [Health Secretary nominee [and complete nutter]] Robert F Kennedy Jr to take on the illness industrial complex' (whatever tf that is).

It really is like like some bizarre tv comedy series.

 

[Chris152]

When is Biden going to send ultra long range missiles that can flatten the Kremlin.

Tbh I can't see that'd be a smart move, it'd almost certainly help precipitate a worst case scenario. It's clearly a game of brinkmanship, and that'd tip it over the edge, I think.

 

[RobinBHM]

Tbh I can't see that'd be a smart move, it'd almost certainly help precipitate a worst case scenario. It's clearly a game of brinkmanship, and that'd tip it over the edge, I think.

.....just a bit of fishing for Tony (dont tell him)

 

[RobinBHM]

So, the Department of Education will be replaced by the Department of Indoctrination, and Dr Oz '"will work closely with [Health Secretary nominee [and complete nutter]] Robert F Kennedy Jr to take on the illness industrial complex' (whatever tf that is).

It really is like like some bizarre tv comedy series.

Trump thinks he is being clever putting "disrupters" into positions of power.

the MAGA party will have full control, so lets sit back and watch it unravel

 

[Fergie 307]

I love it!
It's like poking a hornet's nest with a stick whenever one says anything that doesn't fit with the forum's Tooting Popular Front's mindset. Just look at yourselves, you're falling over each other in order to attack one person with differing views to your own. It really says it all.
You know bruvvers, if I was in the process of constructing a left wing fool it would be hard to choose whose brain on here I could use as a blueprint! There are so many Wolfie Smiths I'd be spoilt for choice.

Does it not occur to any of you left wing, hard of thinking band of ideologues that the next stage of a potentially escalated war in Europe has just been reached with Biden's approval and the use of long range American provided weapons which have already been fired into Russia?

The West are being slowly sucked further into a war that potentially no one can win but could bring death and destruction on an unimaginable scale if it gets out of hand. Forget your global warming and net-zero nonsense, this is on a different level.

I've no doubt Putin will retaliate, he has been given no other choice in order to save face, I just hope it's measured otherwise prepare your kids and grand kids for the possibility of national service.
Let's just hope that Trump has enough influence now to prevent Putin from overreacting to Biden's stupidity.

Some of us simply prefer to look at the evidence, rather than getting hysterical.

Ukraine have struck into Russia several times previously, crossing Putin's red lines.

They have actually invaded part of Russia. If that didn't provoke a reaction then why would firing a few missiles just across the border?

Please share your reasoning with us poor morons.

And Putin likes to tell us that any action in support of Ukraine is a dangerous escalation. Don't you think that Putin bringing in foreign troops was a pretty significant escalation on his part?

And interesting that you think that your poor put upon Mr Putin is the type to consider "saving face" sufficient cause to start WW3.
I can see why he's your hero.

My take is that Biden has had the balls to give Ukraine the means to potentially make a real difference to the situation in their favour, before your other hero gets in and tries to sell them down the river.
Just a damn shame we didn't all do the same back in 2014. Goodness knows how many lives on both sides would have been saved if we had had the resolve to send Putin packing then.

 

[Jacob]

Completely wrong.

What do MPs do?​

The UK public elects Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons

Nearly there!
Brexit certainly was a concern but was not in our interests.

I want my MP to vote in my interest, not yours!!

They voted for brexit. Was that in your interests?

PS In fact it is essential that MPs do not merely vote according to popular majority opinion, when we are bombarded daily from dubious media sources and a whole range of pressure groups, lobbyists, dodgy geezers, with a whole load of BS which is not in our interests.
MPs are supposed to be making well informed and intelligent decisions on our behalf, whether we like it or not. Otherwise what would be the point of them?

 

[Fergie 307]

WRONG

Ukraine has been fighting in mainland Russia for a long time.



Evidence says you are WRONG

Poor old Putin has been having a strop almost monthly for 2 years as the West has done thing continuously crossing his red lines.

I think he might’ve had almost as many strops as you eh Tony.


Fantastic news.

When is Biden going to send ultra long range missiles that can flatten the Kremlin.


The problem with you Tony is you’ve no cajones. Real men take on bully’s like Putin and put in his place. Biden is a real man, Trump is a scaredy cat, as are his followers

The problem is Tony, in your heart you know you are totally wrong,….it’s why you spend 24/7 on here desperately stating endlessly how everybody else is wrong…….it’s all about trying to convince yourself

Not sure about flattening the Kremlin. That would be sufficient to kick things off.
But I'm assuming that was tongue in cheek.
As long as the fighting remains contained in the area around the border, and the missiles we are talking about only have a range of 2-300 miles, then I very much doubt Putin is going to do anything.
If Ukraine can use these missiles, as they are doing, to cut off supplies and so forth to the Russian occupying troops in their immediate rear, then that will cause them serious problems, particularly as winter takes hold.
If they can do it effectively enough then the Russians will find themselves unable to hold the ground and may be forced to withdraw.
If they are in a fairly precarious position to start with that might not take long, that remains to be seen.
Many reports suggest that Russia's troops are really the bottom of the barrel now, poor quality and poor morale. If that is true then their positions could collapse quite quickly if they find themselves increasingly isolated without supplies of ammunition, fuel etc. Russian logistics look to have been pretty poor from day one, might quickly collapse entirely if the Ukrainians start taking out all their supply dumps.

 

[selectortone]

I love it!
It's like poking a hornet's nest with a stick whenever one says anything that doesn't fit with the forum's Tooting Popular Front's mindset. Just look at yourselves, you're falling over each other in order to attack one person with differing views to your own. It really says it all.
You know bruvvers, if I was in the process of constructing a left wing fool it would be hard to choose whose brain on here I could use as a blueprint! There are so many Wolfie Smiths I'd be spoilt for choice.

Does it not occur to any of you left wing, hard of thinking band of ideologues that the next stage of a potentially escalated war in Europe has just been reached with Biden's approval and the use of long range American provided weapons which have already been fired into Russia?

The West are being slowly sucked further into a war that potentially no one can win but could bring death and destruction on an unimaginable scale if it gets out of hand. Forget your global warming and net-zero nonsense, this is on a different level.

I've no doubt Putin will retaliate, he has been given no other choice in order to save face, I just hope it's measured otherwise prepare your kids and grand kids for the possibility of national service.
Let's just hope that Trump has enough influence now to prevent Putin from overreacting to Biden's stupidity.

Calm down dear

 

[selectortone]

It really is like like some bizarre tv comedy series.

Yep. If it was on Netfix people would say it was too far-fetched.

The next four years are going to be interesting to say the least.