President Elect's 'top team'

[Fergie 307]

I can see why you may feel that but the US is the biggest economy in the world (when the US sneezes the world catches a cold) … and we’ve let the US use the UK as an aircraft carrier for a long time so I think we’re entitled to take a view.

Not for much longer. Under Trump I expect US economy will be overtaken rapidly by China.
Especially true if Trump engages in a trade war with them.
Trade deficit with China iro $400 billion.
If the Chinese decide to play hardball effect on US economy immediate and catastrophic

 

[stuart little]

Both of 'em,(Starmer & Strump) act & look like complete 'iriots', IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH, PREPARE TO MEET THY DOOM!
WE'RE ALL DOOMED, Mr.Mainwaring!

 

[Blackswanwood]

Not for much longer. Under Trump I expect US economy will be overtaken rapidly by China.
Especially true if Trump engages in a trade war with them.
Trade deficit with China iro $400 billion.
If the Chinese decide to play hardball effect on US economy immediate and catastrophic

You could well be right although China have enough problems of their own. I’d wager that the dollar will have lost it’s place as the currency of choice in four years time. What happens with crypto is going to be interesting - there may well be some people who get rich but again I’d wager that there will be a few scandals along the way. Less regulation and a financial product that most people do not understand (but many pretend they do) doesn’t usually end well!

 

[gregmcateer]

You guys don't live over here and and do not have a clue, the same reason why I do not comment on another countries politics as I only know what the Your news wants to tell us.

Yet strangely, the US doesn't just comment on other countries and their politics, it often gets directly involved in influencing them, overtly or covertly.

 

[Fergie 307]

It may well suit the Chinese to keep Trump in place, on the principle that you should never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake.
Trump's "buy American" and "we're going to tariff the h**l out of China" don't really work. In many cases there is no available US made alternative to Chinese products.
The lead times to start manufacturing these things in the US are in the order of years, and the resulting products likely to be considerably more expensive.
In the short term if China reciprocates with restrictions on exports to the US, and imports from them, and or tariffs of their own, the effect on the US economy will be profound.

 

[RobinBHM]

In many cases there is no available US made alternative to Chinese products

If we take a couple of examples:

1 iphone

This iPhone has over half the USA market and apple sell 1/4 billion units globally

Where is it made: virtually none in USA, it’s parts come from Japan, Taiwan, China etc. the Gorilla glass is made in Texas.

Where is it assembled: China, Vietnam, India

The largest assembly plant is Hon Hai Technology Group (Foxconn), is located in Zhengzhou and employs over 300,000 workers. It can assemble 1/2 million a day.

Good luck relocating that to USA.


Example 2: clothing

USA imports 97% of its clothing.

Levi’s, Wrangler, Lee none are made in USA


What people don’t realise is that it’s American businesses and American brands that are using Chinese manufacture….and it is those brands that would suffer.


China, India, Vietnam etc have Labour rates a fraction of the USA, Trumps tariffs mean either

A) pay the tariff and products in shops go up in price

B) bring manufacture into USA, pay higher Labour costs….products in shops go up in price.

 

[RobinBHM]

Both of 'em,(Starmer & Strump) act & look like complete 'iriots', IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH, PREPARE TO MEET THY DOOM!
WE'RE ALL DOOMED, Mr.Mainwaring!

Have you been living in UK between 2010 and July 2024.

How’s the standard of living and public services been working out for you?

 

[Croolis]

B) bring manufacture into USA, pay higher Labour costs….products in shops go up in price.

I imagine, and I'm not saying this is correct (I have no idea about this stuff), voters porbably think that if ^^ this one happens at least the jobs will be in the US.

 

[Jacob]

American has some serious issues, unprecedented illegal invasion from the south, eye watering national debt, lose of manufacturing overseas, and its NATO partners in the main (UK being an exception) not paying its fair share / committed level of expenditure to defend its boarders and relying on America to defend it all at their expense. States / cities that are now lawless with overwhelming crime levels causing businesses to shut up shop and run, drug epidemic, and an education system once the end if the world so far down the world league table most second world countries now look down on it. Mr Trump has suggested solutions to each major issue, the Democrats offered no solutions and failed to recognise the issues. When you take the emotion and ‘feelings’ out if it, it’s not hard to understand why the Republicans have achieved a revolution and taken over so completely.

Biggest USA problem is of course poverty, which is of course behind crime and much else.
It will only get worse now the place is run by a very weird mob including criminals, dubious and severely untalented characters. Bad news for the world as a whole.
Alarming to hear one on Radio4 this morning talking about how UK needs to avoid building a relationship with "socialist" Europe, to wind back "socialism" in UK - instead to look to USA for free trade agreements etc etc.
Could be a turning point and give a big boost to the left?
Maybe this is what we need; a shock exposure to the deep lunacy of failed politics of the unwoke, violent, neo-liberal, free-market, de-regulated, climate change sceptical, etc.
And Harris lost by being too timid about radical change. Starmer turnout similarly low but he scraped in by default.
We need louder and more radical outspoken voices from the left, not least over climate change.

 

[Jacob]

The yes minister episode is very funny.
But in seriousness the catholic church spends billions on good causes every year

The Catholic Church has financed, built, equipped and runs 5000 fully functioning hospitals (70% in Third World); Pharmacies; mobile medical units to reach isolated vulnerable communities.

150,000 schools from primary to university and education programmes for girls in countries that do not educate them.

In addition countless supported living facilities for people vulnerable from physical, mental, learning disabilities, aged, homelessness shelters and hospices. - My uncle- the one who volunteered for them had polio as a child and lived for a time in one of these homes. I suppose thats maybe the reason he dedicated his life to the church in thanks for the support they had given him

Provision tens of thousands of weekly visits to lonely and housebound people worldwide.

Water filtration programmes and assisting disabled civilian peasant farmers and children with limbs blown off by US and European made landmines. Prosthetic limbs, special transport to enable them to be able to continue with education and learn new skills to support their families.

Religion is mad but it gave us art, architecture, music, pastoral care, idealism, morals, sanctuary, education, etc etc...... the building blocks of civilisation as we know it.
Nearest I ever got to joining in was to go along to "Sunday School" when I was about 7, because I heard that you got a "stamp". Turned out they weren't postage stamps they just had pictures of Jesus & Co. on them. Not for a stamp collector! Very disappointing.

 

[Chris152]

Alarming to hear one on Radio4 this morning talking about how UK needs to avoid building a relationship with "socialist" Europe, to wind back "socialism" in UK - instead to look to USA for free trade agreements etc etc.
Could be a turning point and give a big boost to the left?

I don't know, there are a lot of loonies in the Uk and beyond as well, who will think that a positive. This, together with blackmailing us with the threat of military support being withdrawn (Vance) is a new front in US hegemony. Adopt the US version of 'freedom' or else. Much better to throw our lot in with Europe.

eta - The whole idea that the UK could achieve autonomy through brexit is and always was farcical. We now see clearly how vulnerable the UK has made itself.

 

[Jacob]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/15/republican-ads-false-flag/

 

[Chris152]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/15/republican-ads-false-flag/

And that's the new administration's idea of freedom and democracy. Let them keep it.

 

[deema]

I find it very intriguing, a clearly right wing president elect creates such strong emotions amounts the left, we hear of Armageddon, the end of life as we know it. Yet, this has occurred within a democratic society where people were free to vote for whomever they wanted without fear or reprisal. Now, Trump isn’t too happy with China, a one party state, left wing with a terrible history then and now of crimes against humanity. If we look to other left leaning nuclear states the Republicans arn't also too keen on such as say, Russia where we have a ‘democratically ‘ elected war monger leader and or North Korea a family dynasty with a horrific history of human rights abuse, we hear from the left…..well absolutely nothing! Yep, no long threads on how terrible these communist states are, how evil the regimes are, or indeed the threat they pose to Ukraine, South Korea or Taiwan to name a few. So why is it, that when the right get into power the left come out in their droves shouting about abuse of power, erosion of human rights and drone on, and yet, where we have had decades of countries of pure evil we don’t see marches, flag waving, and the left motivated to call out the real evil in the world?

The last time Trump was in office Iran wasn’t too happy, you know that loveable Middle East country of civil liberties who just happen to sponsor all the major terrorist groups. Biden pops up and all the sanctions, well enough of them evaporate, as the democrats policy of let’s all love each other will make the world , well, as it turns out a far less safe place: especially for Isreal.

 

[RobinBHM]

China, a one party state, left wing

China is not left wing, it is a dictatorship

If we look to other left leaning nuclear states the Republicans arn't also too keen on such as say, Russia

Russia is not a left leaning state, it is a dictatorship

Ironically the Republican party has been extremely in favour of stopping Russia ever since the cold war has under MAGA become a Putin apologist.

Trump is highly supportive of the brutal dictator, probably because Russian bot farms helped him to win and Russian money helped save his business from bankruptcy.

Yep, no long threads on how terrible these communist states are

they arent communist states, China, Russia, North Korea are not communist they are authoritarian states

 

[RobinBHM]

So why is it, that when the right get into power the left come out in their droves shouting about abuse of power, erosion of human rights and drone on, and yet, where we have had decades of countries of pure evil we don’t see marches, flag waving, and the left motivated to call out the real evil in the world?

have you not noticed the support for Palestinians?

have you not noticed the campaigning, often by the left, against companies using sweat shops in India etc

here is the Guardian reporting on the human rights abuses in China

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...enocide-by-china-unofficial-uk-tribunal-finds

 

[deema]

have you not noticed the support for Palestinians?

have you not noticed the campaigning, often by the left, against companies using sweat shops in India etc

here is the Guardian reporting on the human rights abuses in China

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...enocide-by-china-unofficial-uk-tribunal-finds

The Palestinians, you mean the people who elected Hamas? You mean the people who actively support the Terrorists regime? The people who praised the invasion of Isreal? The people (not Hamas) who defiled the body of a dead female Israeli? I know, the come back is usually that Hamas would kill any Palestinian protesters or anyone who didn’t follow orders……well we tried and executed Germans after the second world war for their crimes despite their legitimate defence that they would be killed for not following orders. Yep the left really pick good causes……Trump appears to be very supportive of Isreal.


The Guardian article was really recent……2021, such a lot of protests and flag waving every weekend in the capital against that! Lots of left wingers not buying Chinese made goods in protest, demanding governments impose sanctions against China, trade barriers……rather like what Donald is proposing and the left are objecting to it??