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Phil Pascoe

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The bath hot tap is leaking badly. I've changed the ¼ turn insert, but the leak is still there. I suspect the taps were fitted with flexible hoses before the bath was in situ, so even if possible it's going to be an absolute pig to change the tap. A single tap, not a mixer. Any ideas?
 
You sure it's the right cartridge? A new unit? It has to be exactly the right one. Have a look to see how the seat is where the bottom of the cartridge seats on the tap as well.
That's about the end of my knowledge about ceramic cartridges though!
Otherwise just isolate the water and disconnect the flex. Crow's foot spanner / wrench to undo the tap nut. Make sure that when you replace the flex, you don't twist it. If it's a compression type fitting, use a bit of PTFE tape, just round the olive if you're reusing it. Thread tape on any threaded connections, to seal the thread, but not on the threads of compression fittings.
 
It's the correct cartridge. Everything is clean. The problem being the access to the underside of the tap is virtually non existent - I might be able to get a crow's foot on it but I doubt I can get my hand there as well - the taps were undoubtedly put in place before the bath was installed. My wife says just get someone in to do it, but I have long arms - if I can't reach it it's unlikely anyone else will be able to. I really don't want the bath coming out. I'll try to get my hand in there tomorrow.
 
I suspect a plumber will have the right tools to do the job - for instance you can get a crows foot spanner with a 1/2" drive specifically intended (I assume) for accessing tap back nuts with limited clearance.
 
I suspect a plumber will have the right tools to do the job
That is the secret to most jobs, having the right tools is essential and a plumber will have something like this

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if you have a socket set then you could buy the sockets & crows feet on there own.
 
It's not so much the limited access that's the problem, it's the actual reach. The crow's foot for a socket set is a good idea, though.
I'll take the bath panel off later and see how far in I can reach.
 
I’ve yet to find a tap or taps that can’t be undone since i brought a tap ex kit back nerrad tools ( no affiliate) just top quality kit .Not much it can’t cope with. They are a bit pricey but worth the investment after struggling to undo certain tap nuts . There is an additional kit that further enhances your ability to undo those difficult connections etc ..
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Even at over £100 it is probably worth getting the right tool for the job because it will still be cheaper than paying a plumber. Plus you will always have the tool for future use, or you could sell it on to recoup some of the outlay. And you will have the satisfaction of having done the job yourself. Why do people get involved in DIY anyway? For me it is 1. the satisfaction of doing the job 2. not having to wait for a tradesman to show up - or not and 3. to save money.

K
 
It's not so much the limited access that's the problem, it's the actual reach.
A big part of this problem, like it or not is getting old. We have to accept that what we could do in our younger days like forcing our bodies into tight awkward positions to do something like your bath tap do become really difficult. I find a lot of the time I try to design out these issues so that I can still do the task but no mater how many weetabix we eat it will not improve our stamina.
 
I’ve yet to find a tap or taps that can’t be undone since i brought a tap ex kit back nerrad tools ( no affiliate) just top quality kit .Not much it can’t cope with. They are a bit pricey but worth the investment after struggling to undo certain tap nuts . There is an additional kit that further enhances your ability to undo those difficult connections etc ..
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Appreciate the recommendations here. I had a similar job to Phil's to do on a tap that had been in place for 20+ years and WOULD not come apart. After ripping the brass to shreds I gave up and replaced the taps but had to deal with the same awful access. Old cast pipe spanner is junk, the T bar with a serrated claw little better and non of my crowsfoot spanners were big enough. That Nerrad set might well have helped.
 
Even at over £100 it is probably worth getting the right tool for the job because it will still be cheaper than paying a plumber.

K
My wife is quite good now. Some years ago she queried what I was about to spend and I said do you want me to spend £100 on a tool or £100 to pay someone to do a job I can do perfectly well but can't because I haven't the correct tool? Well, she said, put like that you'd better buy the tool. She's been fine with money spent on tools since.
 
I've never been able to fully comprehend the practice of installing bath taps in such a way that once installed, it's a true PIA to remove/replace the whole tap assembly; let alone renew any compression fixings thereon. Why not instal taps on the outer edge/side of the tub where they can be easily accessed? And similarly taps which poke out of the wall (feed pipes etc. concealed) behind invariably tiled finish. In commercial bathrooms (hotels etc.) they usually include an access panel on the other side of the wall where possible, or create some kind of relatively easy access from the bathroom wall itself above the the taps - if not installed as in my earlier suggestion.

Some while back I bought this kit to remove taps covers which were well and truly "stuck" on; and likewise the actual tap body inside. The kit works well; but one has to be patient etc. and take one's time.

https://abdtools.co.uk/Easy-TapSplitter

I seem to recall that the chap who came up with kit was successful in getting some support from the Dragon's Den.

And if/when replacing inaccessible taps... a) why not use flexible pipe connections to them; and b) include (good quality - not el cheapo) isolating valves for each tap.
 
That is the secret to most jobs, having the right tools is essential and a plumber will have something like this

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if you have a socket set then you could buy the sockets & crows feet on there own.
Can't quite make out the brand etc. of the kit you show. Can you please say what brand and where to get it?
 
Appreciate the recommendations here. I had a similar job to Phil's to do on a tap that had been in place for 20+ years and WOULD not come apart. After ripping the brass to shreds I gave up and replaced the taps but had to deal with the same awful access. Old cast pipe spanner is junk, the T bar with a serrated claw little better and non of my crowsfoot spanners were big enough. That Nerrad set might well have helped.
I’ve found it to be worth the investment after struggling, I always find curved jaw type are ok if the joints aren’t over tight . The traditional ducks foot spanner no longer fit the majority of taps especially any from overseas. Expensive yes but comes in a sturdy case and spares available , the main set is very comprehensive and the top up kit covers anything the main set doesn’t. Word of warning ⚠️ some sellers offering these at really cheap prices but what they are selling is the empty case or the spare parts kit …
 
I've never been able to fully comprehend the practice of installing bath taps in such a way that once installed, it's a true PIA to remove/replace the whole tap assembly; let alone renew any compression fixings thereon. Why not instal taps on the outer edge/side of the tub where they can be easily accessed? And similarly taps which poke out of the wall (feed pipes etc. concealed) behind invariably tiled finish. In commercial bathrooms (hotels etc.) they usually include an access panel on the other side of the wall where possible, or create some kind of relatively easy access from the bathroom wall itself above the the taps - if not installed as in my earlier suggestion.

Some while back I bought this kit to remove taps covers which were well and truly "stuck" on; and likewise the actual tap body inside. The kit works well; but one has to be patient etc. and take one's time.

https://abdtools.co.uk/Easy-TapSplitter

I seem to recall that the chap who came up with kit was successful in getting some support from the Dragon's Den.

And if/when replacing inaccessible taps... a) why not use flexible pipe connections to them; and b) include (good quality - not el cheapo) isolating valves for each tap.
For many years I’ve used full bore isso valves . They cost 3-4 times more than the cheap ones but I’ve never had to replace them . Often the position of the tap holes is dictated by the maker of bath . This can then be compounded by a customer who wants the bath fitted in a room not suitable for its size or shape . One of the worst I’ve done is a simple quote for a new set of bath taps / basin taps. Standard 1700x700 bath but trapped in an alcove . The taps were fitted in the centre of the 1700 side against the wall . No access via the bath panel due to the belly of said bath . Option 1 cut the wall to access the taps via the kitchen the other side of bathroom or option 2 get the angle grinder out and cut the bath out , repipe so taps and pipework is accessible, new bath , make good tiles etc etc . Cust chose opt 2 . A lot of my advice on bathrooms is how easy will it be for me to fit new taps carry out repairs etc . As said above as you get older it becomes more difficult for you to morph into spaces not designed for you to access.
 
I’ve yet to find a tap or taps that can’t be undone since i brought a tap ex kit back nerrad tools ( no affiliate) just top quality kit .Not much it can’t cope with. They are a bit pricey but worth the investment after struggling to undo certain tap nuts . There is an additional kit that further enhances your ability to undo those difficult connections etc ..
Nerrad Tools Tapex Tap Wrench Kit 18 piece Nttapexkit1
£159.95
Free delivery
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Plumb2u
They look nice! I might have to spring for some for work….

As to tricky taps, I would have been impressed if you could have accessed the one in my last house when it came loose. It was halfway down the bath. Actually quite handy having them there for not having to move the fixed shower screen when bathing the kids but when it came loose I was cursing. I eventually conceded to taking the bath out. I think I only failed to reseal it sufficiently once…..
 
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