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Very nice indeed Dom, no shame in MDF!
I just read your blog and notice that you have a JET TS. I have the supersaw at the top of my shortlist. I notice this is the one on legs as appose to a cabinet. I'm not sure if this saw is available any more. How do you find it? Would you recommend?
I just read your blog and notice that you have a JET TS. I have the supersaw at the top of my shortlist. I notice this is the one on legs as appose to a cabinet. I'm not sure if this saw is available any more. How do you find it? Would you recommend?
W0ody
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theres nothing wrong with that mate!
lookin all good from here, well done =D>
lookin all good from here, well done =D>
brianhabby
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Looks good and a practical use of what otherwise might have been wasted space.
regards
Brian
regards
Brian
Chems
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Excellent, so much work goes into what looks like a relatively simple piece, came out lovely too.
Im about 99.9% sure this is a no-no thou:
Trapping the work piece between the fence and the bit.
Im about 99.9% sure this is a no-no thou:
Trapping the work piece between the fence and the bit.
woodbloke
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Dom - good piece, excellent account on the Blog...DO like that saw :mrgreen: - Rob
Chems
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Kept on reading down your blog to your other projects, learnt a lot thanks for putting that all up!
p111dom
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Thanks for the comments.
WiZeR the jet saw is the old model but differs little from the current one. The current one apart from having an enclosed base has a little extra table length behind the blade and a little extra ripping capacity but both are less that 100mm. The sliding table arrangement is the same as is the mitre fence. The only drawbacks are that as good as the mitre fence is there are others that are better and the jet doesn't have a left hand mitre slot to be able to use them. No problem if you're left handed though. The dust extraction on the end of line models like mine IMO is better than the current model. The bottom is angled into a hopper arrangement to direct the dust towards the extraction post. Over all I love it and it will do me indefinatley and is a big improvement over my old Kity 413. I think I wrote a reasonably in depth review for woodbloke once so if you PM him and he still has it he could forward it on to you.
Chems the direction of rotation of the router bit is anti-clockwise so there's no chance of 'kickback' in this case. The worst that could happen it that it would spit the piece out the outfeed side and away from the user. This could lead you to push your hands into the bit but that's what a push stick is for. I can't see how it differs or how it would be any less safe than using a feather board to hold stock tight against the fence which is done all the time. In fact with the stock on the other side of the bit and a feather board in place it would shoot it back at you in the event of biting in. It's never happened to me but I do use a push stick on the infeed side just in case. This doesn't apply to a table saw of course where this would be dangerous.
WiZeR the jet saw is the old model but differs little from the current one. The current one apart from having an enclosed base has a little extra table length behind the blade and a little extra ripping capacity but both are less that 100mm. The sliding table arrangement is the same as is the mitre fence. The only drawbacks are that as good as the mitre fence is there are others that are better and the jet doesn't have a left hand mitre slot to be able to use them. No problem if you're left handed though. The dust extraction on the end of line models like mine IMO is better than the current model. The bottom is angled into a hopper arrangement to direct the dust towards the extraction post. Over all I love it and it will do me indefinatley and is a big improvement over my old Kity 413. I think I wrote a reasonably in depth review for woodbloke once so if you PM him and he still has it he could forward it on to you.
Chems the direction of rotation of the router bit is anti-clockwise so there's no chance of 'kickback' in this case. The worst that could happen it that it would spit the piece out the outfeed side and away from the user. This could lead you to push your hands into the bit but that's what a push stick is for. I can't see how it differs or how it would be any less safe than using a feather board to hold stock tight against the fence which is done all the time. In fact with the stock on the other side of the bit and a feather board in place it would shoot it back at you in the event of biting in. It's never happened to me but I do use a push stick on the infeed side just in case. This doesn't apply to a table saw of course where this would be dangerous.
Chems
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I see your point, I was watching the Woodsmith VideoCast on Router tables and he said it was a no-no but what your saying makes complete sense. We have a lot of the same kit it would appear as well in different colours and brands but the same underneath, so I cant blame the kit for my shoddy work anymore!
woodbloke
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...and very good it was too, so many thanks Dom, but having had a clear out of my PM's a while back it's gorn, shuffled, deceased...
Doms review as I remember was detailed and in depth and when the time comes for an upgrade then that particular saw will be top of the tuit list - RobShadowfax
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If it helps with decision making, I have had a Jet Supersaw for a few years now and I love it!
Cheers,
SF
Cheers,
SF
Shadowfax
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Oops! Sorry, WiZer.
SF
SF
p111dom
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Ops found it after all.
Hi woodbloke. It's all a bit relative really. The mitre fence is very good but possibly not as accurate as some of the after market mitre fences available especially from the States or Canada. The main problems with the Jet are that there's no left hand mitre slot so an after market upgrade wouldn't be possible unless you are prepared to work left handed. The right hand slot is quite far from the blade when compared to other saws. Capacities are small when compared to the SIP or a clone of it.
Everything else is A+. Top is precission ground and flat as a pancake. The SIP's is not. My mate has the Fox model and if you put a straight edge front to back the whole top dips, and I kid you not, by 2mm in the middle. The fence is just as good as the SIP's but doesn't have a fine adjustment knob but does have a split fence on the UK model unlike the SIP. The mitre slot is acuratley milled in and you'll find very little play if you do try a small mitre gauge in it. This has been a problem area on all the SIP derivatives often commented on on this forum. I know some owners have sent machines back because of it. The rise and fall is first class and way way way better than the SIP. There's no play at all and it's silky smooth even after a year of heavy use. The SIP models suffer 'backlash' so after say raising the blade by turning the hand wheel clockwise there's 10-20 degrees of play when you turn the wheel anti clockwise before the blade starts to lower. This is due to cheap worm gear which also gets clogged with dust and becomes increasingly stiffer with age unless you regularly clean and oil the worm drives. The jet has a belt drive system with tensioners to take up any slack. The only down side with this is that there is a potential for a belt to snap and you would lose your rise and fall. There is a significant amount of disassembly to renew the belt which thankfully I have not yet had to do but is a complaint of Supersaw owners over the pond. The crown guard extraction on the Jet is also better. The Jet's sliding table only has a capacity of 2 feet in front of the blade and the ali fence is only about 2 feet long, both significantly smaller than the SIP's. That said the sliding action 10 times better and the sliding top is all cast iron where as the SIP's is pressed steel and is prone to rusting. The blade insert plate on the SIP is only around 3mm deep. This means making a zero clearance insert is a problem. You can make the insert out of 3mm hardwood but it will have warped in a week or you can make it out of thicker material and route the edge down to 3mm. That's still not especially strong. The best option is to make one out of perspex but that's costly. The Jet's insert is a meaty 7mm or so deep so theres no problem here. Two more considerations are that the SIP has, or at least did have a 16mm arbour which limits you choice of blades. 30mm is the most common and that's what the Jet has. However the Axminster and Fox models have a 30mm arbour.
Finally there's the price. The Jet is £400 more than the Axminster model. So is it worth the extra? It's a close call. People bang on about the SIP's capacities but many just make boxes or other small stuff. I tend to make furniture and larger pieces and haven't found the lack of capacity limiting although a longer sliding table fence would be nice. I'm lucky in that I have a mitre saw station so this is not an issue but you could really do with a longer fence if you didn't have a chop saw. I bought this saw as an end of line from Axminster. It was on ebay and didn't sell so I rang them and offered £500 inc Vat which they excepted so the machine arrived new in the box but with no warranty. For like for like money there's no contest, go with the Jet but at £400 more????? Put it this way...when I rang them and offered £500 the plan if they said no was to order the Axminster/SIP clone instead on the same phone call. Best to try each yourself!
Hi woodbloke. It's all a bit relative really. The mitre fence is very good but possibly not as accurate as some of the after market mitre fences available especially from the States or Canada. The main problems with the Jet are that there's no left hand mitre slot so an after market upgrade wouldn't be possible unless you are prepared to work left handed. The right hand slot is quite far from the blade when compared to other saws. Capacities are small when compared to the SIP or a clone of it.
Everything else is A+. Top is precission ground and flat as a pancake. The SIP's is not. My mate has the Fox model and if you put a straight edge front to back the whole top dips, and I kid you not, by 2mm in the middle. The fence is just as good as the SIP's but doesn't have a fine adjustment knob but does have a split fence on the UK model unlike the SIP. The mitre slot is acuratley milled in and you'll find very little play if you do try a small mitre gauge in it. This has been a problem area on all the SIP derivatives often commented on on this forum. I know some owners have sent machines back because of it. The rise and fall is first class and way way way better than the SIP. There's no play at all and it's silky smooth even after a year of heavy use. The SIP models suffer 'backlash' so after say raising the blade by turning the hand wheel clockwise there's 10-20 degrees of play when you turn the wheel anti clockwise before the blade starts to lower. This is due to cheap worm gear which also gets clogged with dust and becomes increasingly stiffer with age unless you regularly clean and oil the worm drives. The jet has a belt drive system with tensioners to take up any slack. The only down side with this is that there is a potential for a belt to snap and you would lose your rise and fall. There is a significant amount of disassembly to renew the belt which thankfully I have not yet had to do but is a complaint of Supersaw owners over the pond. The crown guard extraction on the Jet is also better. The Jet's sliding table only has a capacity of 2 feet in front of the blade and the ali fence is only about 2 feet long, both significantly smaller than the SIP's. That said the sliding action 10 times better and the sliding top is all cast iron where as the SIP's is pressed steel and is prone to rusting. The blade insert plate on the SIP is only around 3mm deep. This means making a zero clearance insert is a problem. You can make the insert out of 3mm hardwood but it will have warped in a week or you can make it out of thicker material and route the edge down to 3mm. That's still not especially strong. The best option is to make one out of perspex but that's costly. The Jet's insert is a meaty 7mm or so deep so theres no problem here. Two more considerations are that the SIP has, or at least did have a 16mm arbour which limits you choice of blades. 30mm is the most common and that's what the Jet has. However the Axminster and Fox models have a 30mm arbour.
Finally there's the price. The Jet is £400 more than the Axminster model. So is it worth the extra? It's a close call. People bang on about the SIP's capacities but many just make boxes or other small stuff. I tend to make furniture and larger pieces and haven't found the lack of capacity limiting although a longer sliding table fence would be nice. I'm lucky in that I have a mitre saw station so this is not an issue but you could really do with a longer fence if you didn't have a chop saw. I bought this saw as an end of line from Axminster. It was on ebay and didn't sell so I rang them and offered £500 inc Vat which they excepted so the machine arrived new in the box but with no warranty. For like for like money there's no contest, go with the Jet but at £400 more????? Put it this way...when I rang them and offered £500 the plan if they said no was to order the Axminster/SIP clone instead on the same phone call. Best to try each yourself!
