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Having just ordered a Planer Thickneser, (Rcord PT260), my thoughts went to eventually changing the blades and setting them correctly, or just ensuring they are set correctly.

I have seen several makes of magnetic setting Jigs, which look almost identical, but vary in price considerably. The Record RPPSJ, the Charnwood PKSJ and the Rutlands DDPN, all look the same. Can anyone say if these are all mde for a particular machine, or will theywork on any machine and are simply 'badged' under different names?

Also, are they any good or is there a better way to set the blades. in which case, please point me in another direcion. Thanks
 
i used the oneway multi gauge, which isnt cheap but is very good.

If possible, I would look at whether you can convert to disposable, self setting blades. My current planer has Tersa blades which can be changed in under a minute each which means that having a set for a final pass is a realistically possible.

i am sure that you could buy an adapter to use the disposable blades (rather than tersa which need the tersa cutter block) and Cutting Solutions used to sell them.
 
Hello,
I have the same machine and the planner blade setting jig you are looking at is used on the cutter block itself and does not reference the out feed table. I use the wood batten with two pencil marks 3mm apart. The machine is a total sod to get spot on. Lack of engineering tolerances and poor materials and poor system of blade securing. The tables on mine are ali so the Axminster setter will not stick to the tables. The Record come with 3mm re sharpenable chrome blades but I use 1mm disposable blades. It is the three holes in the blade to look for which inter lock on the cutter block bar. Also when I set the blades and have to turn the blades for a new edge it is as if they are new blades and the setting is out.
 
Clockie":2vgk8oec said:
Hello,
I have the same machine and the planner blade setting jig you are looking at is used on the cutter block itself and does not reference the out feed table. I use the wood batten with two pencil marks 3mm apart. The machine is a total sod to get spot on. Lack of engineering tolerances and poor materials and poor system of blade securing. The tables on mine are ali so the Axminster setter will not stick to the tables. The Record come with 3mm re sharpenable chrome blades but I use 1mm disposable blades. It is the three holes in the blade to look for which inter lock on the cutter block bar. Also when I set the blades and have to turn the blades for a new edge it is as if they are new blades and the setting is out.


Hi clockie, cannt really understand what you mean. This is all new to me. As I understand it, the two blades o be individually set up. When one is set and you move to the second, how do you mean that ' it is as if they are new blades and the setting is out' ??
 
The blades are double sided, so when one side gets blunt you turn the blades and because of the interlocking cutter block bar they should in theory not require resetting. But I have found that it is rarely the case.
 
I have used the setting gauges but found them to be a bit hit and miss. I now always use the wood and two pencil marks and it is spot on. It is a little fiddly and time consuming but works very well and costs nothing. HTH. :wink:
 
I love my OneWay Multi Gauge, it does the job wonderfully.
I purchased mine from Toolpost also, just send them an email to check that they have (or can get) one, as they are not listed on the website yet.
 
marcros":1vsrhvdo said:
http://www.oneway.ca/workshop/multi-gauge.htm is the manufacturer.

I bought mine from toolpost but it isn't on their site. I rang them up and they had stock. It was £80-90 IIRC.

This is exactly what I did.
 
Thanks again. I have checked and received an e-mail stating that the Oneway 2289 multi-gauge, complete with dial indicator is available at £85-67 lus £7-20 next day shipping courier service. At least I now know its available and will see how I get on when the P/T arrives and possibly order it later.
 
Malcolm.....if you look in my BS400 review, at the setting the fence square section...you'll see the Oneway in action for more than just planar blade setting. It's a very versatile dial jig and magnetic square for anything with cast iron. Very useful and very accurate.

I had the PT260 before I got the Startrite and the blade setting is fiddly without question but it is relatively easy to master. And once mastered it's easy. I received that little jig that comes with the machine that everyone badges too and it is useful for one thing and that's holding the spring loaded blade at the right height. It's magnets clamp on the block while the adjustable feet determine blade height. The big problem with them is you have no idea what blade height actually is because there's no easy point of reference since as another poster mentioned, they don't reference the outfeed and blade accuracy is critical relative to outfeed to avoid snipe. However, when you have a dial gauge that's sufficiently heavy duty as the Oneway Multigauge, it doesn't matter that the beds are aluminium because its heavy duty enough to stay put anyway ie without any magnetic assistance.

With the combination of the multijig providing the exact 100th milimetric calibration of height above outfeed and the micro adjustability of that cheap tat Taiwanese jig, it works an absolute treat and you can dial in literally any height you want. More importantly you KNOW what the height is, empirically.

I spent a good deal of time experimenting with this because the lack of accuracy over plane blade setting was really bothering me some years ago. In the end, this combination was the perfect solution and in fact before I hit upon it, I used the moving wood block technique for years. And it was never that accurate. In particular, you would get small variance across the block so the planing would be marginally uneven, this really shows up when thicknessing. Essentially the job would be slightly tapered across its width.

The beauty about that crappy cheap far east jig that every one and his wife badges is that with the 260 in particular the knives are spring loaded as I recall. The challenge was getting them pushed "down" to the correct depth rather than pulling up as with most other machines. That little magnetic foot on the jig is really good at holding the knife down and then using the oneway to monitor the actual height above outfeed. There is a screw adjustment on the other jig that pushes the blade up or down while you watch the oneway dial gauge.

All other methods I investigated are anecdotal in nature ie they don't measure actual height empirically above outfeed which means you have to go through a laborious process of...use method....check results....use method again to adjust.....check results....adjust again cos the middle knife is now too high...aaaaggggghhhhhh. I found it very frustrating and fiddly. With my approach, you can read straight off the dial actual height and in theory no further adjustment needed. I wont go into what happens when you've adjusted all three knife height points with pin accuracy...then tighten the grub screws only to find its wound the accuracy out again...but that's another story!

I found the 260 to be a truly remarkable machine given its weight, capacity, block size, 2 knives only etc. It was absolutely brilliant, a real little work horse and my only frustration (after I cracked the blade setting) was the speed of changeover from planing to thicknessing. Beyond that, I always thought that machine punched way above it's weight and if I end up with a smaller workshop one day which is inevitable I guess, I'll buy another without hesitation.

I sold mine in the end to a mate who moved to a centuries old French farmhouse and he has planed all the solid oak beams from rough using that, 100's of metres of rough sawn French oak. And its still going strong 7 years later :)
 
My PT and planer I set this way and get perfect results in just a few minutes.

All you need is a ruler that will stand on its edge and piece of printer paper.
The thickness of the paper represents how much the knives should project above the out-feed table.

Put the paper on the out-feed table, put the ruler on its edge on the paper and over the block.
Rotate the block until one knife is at the top and then adjust it to just touch the rule.
Repeat at both ends of the block and all knives.

Done.
 
Thanks Bob, that's an excellent review and certainly sells the idea of the guage for best results and possibly far fewer problems.

Roger, the method you useis the one I have sen on a video by Peter Parfitt, who seems to have thye righ idea. I think tat the only way forward is to wait for the machine to arrive next week. As it happens, it is the demo machine, as Record were our of stock, but it was onlyset up by Peter from Record a few weeks ago and will save me the bother of getting one out of the box and puting it together. Therefore, the blades are aleady set, so I'll see how I go. When needed, I will firstly try the ruler method that Roger uses and I have seen on video and if necessary, I can then order the guage if I feel it wold make life easier.

I do appreciate all the help on this forum,it sure is 'the place to be'.

Cheers for now ................................. I'm off to hunt for a calor portabnle heater for the garage, but it's a little like finding hen's teeth for a place to inspect them and I don't want to go the Smethwick for anything.
 
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