One Bevel, Two Bevels, Three Bevels, More?

[David C]

Jacob,

I am disappointed, I thought you had invented a great method for shaping mortice chisels.

David

 

[Trafalgar]

Isn't it odd that the people who mock the techniques of others, have almost certainly never tried those techniques?

If I remember right, Paul Sellers uses three stones and a strop for his sharpening. Four surfaces.

I use two. (Not counting the periodic grinding).

Many people work on two surfaces when sharpening, I work on three.

I have taught the technique to hundreds of people who have found it most satisfactory.

David Charlesworth

"Preposterous", I think not.

At some level there is a need to differentiate and carve out a niche. No doubt you've done that with your four-bevel method of honing.

In the world of woodworking instruction, you can rest assured that the likelihood there will be imitators is quite low.

 

[Cheshirechappie]

This thread needs closing, we have the same problem as every sharpening thread.

Pete

Don't agree. This is the funniest thread we've had on the forum for months - nine pages in, and it's still going.

I wonder if the first war in human history started over a disagreement about flint-knapping?

 

[Jacob]

No doubt. Slow sharpening procedures were critical. Hence the expression - as the enemy (or the woolly Mammoths etc) approached, it was not good to be "caught knapping".

 

[David C]

Charles,

I am delighted to be able to tell you that you are wrong.

Chris Schwarz and Rob Cosman both use and teach some of my techniques, (something to do with that fourth bevel which you keep banging on about) as do some other people on U tube who I don't know.

David

 

[Cheshirechappie]

No doubt. Slow sharpening procedures were critical. Hence the expression - as the enemy (or the woolly Mammoths etc) approached, it was not good to be "caught knapping".

Do you speak from experience?

 

[Jacob]

Charles,

I am delighted to be able to tell you that you are wrong.

Chris Schwarz and Rob Cosman both use and teach some of my techniques, (something to do with that fourth bevel which you keep banging on about) as do some other people on U tube who I don't know.

David

So that's 2 yanks and some other people who nobody knows? :lol:

 

[Benchwayze]

I'm sure Rob Cosman is Canadian. 8)

If nothing else, this thread has decided me to at least try the 'Rule-trick'. (hammer)

 

[Trafalgar]

Charles,

I am delighted to be able to tell you that you are wrong.

Chris Schwarz and Rob Cosman both use and teach some of my techniques, (something to do with that fourth bevel which you keep banging on about) as do some other people on U tube who I don't know.

David

Chris Schwarz has somewhat of a habit of doing 180s so I'd be careful there. I do understand that they are presently fans of the back bevel or whatever it's called today.

Are they also putting three bevels on the front?

 

[David C]

Charles,

I would respectfully suggest, that you desist from your rather poor attempts at being irritating, and ask them yourself.

You will then have some facts at your disposal.

David

 

[Trafalgar]

Charles,

I would respectfully suggest, that you desist from your rather poor attempts at being irritating, and ask them yourself.

You will then have some facts at your disposal.

David

I'm sorry for asking, you seemed to be in the know.

 

[iNewbie]

I see another forum case of Jacobitis is setting in. :mrgreen:

 

[Spindle]

Hi

Let's not get too polarised here - there's several opinions going around in circles on this carousel.

It's only sharpening at the end of the day.

Regards Mick

 

[Carl P]

Why 'Jacobitis'? I can't see that there's any difference of intractability and the deployment of dubious argument between any of the usual suspects - time out on the naughty step for all concerned! :roll:

Cheerio,

Carl

 

[Trafalgar]

Maybe it would be informative to start a poll to ascertain exactly how many people on the board are forming four, separate bevels on their plane irons, or plan to do so in the very near future.

 

[Jacob]

Isn't it odd that the people who mock the techniques of others, have almost certainly never tried those techniques?

If I remember right, Paul Sellers uses three stones and a strop for his sharpening. Four surfaces.

I use two. (Not counting the periodic grinding).

Many people work on two surfaces when sharpening, I work on three.

I have taught the technique to hundreds of people who have found it most satisfactory.

David Charlesworth

"Preposterous", I think not.

It's very odd Dave. :roll:
How did you get on with the Sellers method?

Dave you haven't answered the question. How did you get on with the Sellers method? It would be interesting to hear of your experiences.

 

[bugbear]

Dave you haven't answered the question.

Jacob; you haven't answred the question;

You said:

In fact if you use a jig for long enough initially set at say 25º, without adjusting it, it will produce a rounded bevel.

Now it's my opinion that the reality is not like that, and I even went to the effort of making a diagram to justify my opinion:

(if you need any more detail, they can be found up-thread)

So, the question remains: how do you think the roundness is created?

BugBear

 

[Jacob]

Probably wrong about the rounded bevel - but I'm right about the steadily increasing angle. I'm also curious about how you get a camber with a jig. Camber is essential for most plane blades but the jiggers go on and on about flatness and straight edges. How does Dave get a camber with his 5 bevel system (precise, repeatable, etc etc)?
Are you there Dave?
And BB - how did you get on with the Sellers system?

 

[David C]

It is pointless giving serious answers to people who make puerile comments.

David

 

[bugbear]

Probably wrong about the rounded bevel - but I'm right about the steadily increasing angle.

We're getting there.

Do you have an opinion on the (astonishingly low) numbers I gave for the "steadily increasing angle"? What did your analysis (or experiment) show you?

BugBear