OK you asked for it ! , Statesman 280 Photo thread

[Blister]

(I am marrying a nice Irish girl in a couple of weeks)

Double wedding in the offing ?

You and Mrs.Wizer,Allen and Mrs.Silverdrive.... :lol:

Andrew

Until something even better comes on the market :lol:

Pete

There would only be ONEWAY I will change this now :wink:

 

[duncanh]

All looks great until the last pic where Wizer appears to be turning a bowl blank with a roughing gouge :shock:
You may get away with it on the outside but I understand that even there it's not a great idea, and most manufacturers advise against it.

A bowl gouge with a swept back grind is much safer, probably faster, and much more versatile

Only truing it to a cylinder :wink:

Then as you say , onto a bowl gouge

Is it really worth the risk? The manufacturers recommend not using them for a reason - the tool is not designed for that purpose and the tang means that the tool is not as strong as a bowl gouge.
You may get away with it fine until one day you get a strong catch and the gouge is bent in 2, possibly causing you an injury. Maybe a blank has a hidden crack which causes a big dig-in and the tang ends up bent.
If you're going to use a bowl gouge anyway why not just start with that? A 1/2" one trues up a bowl blank quickly

 

[TEP]

Got to agree with Duncan on this, DON'T use a Roughing out gouge on any faceplate work.

The problem is it does work, until you get a decent dig in and you'll find that gouge can turn into a lethal missile. No doubt we've all experience a dig with a spindle or bowl gouge. Just look at the amount of timber that Roughing blade can lift, if it does dig in there is possibly so much wood in the cut that it won't break-out and the chisel has to go. Your face could be above the tool and I don't think a face shield would save anyone if this happened.

Also this is one of the draw-backs of a large powerful lathe, you can stall a small lathe with a dig-in. Don't think you'll stall that beast.

Turn safely guys!

 

[Blister]

I have never had a problem using a roughing gouge ?

Yes it can take a big cut if you are aggressive with it as with any tool :?

But will take on the comments made here and see what happens with a bowl gouge

I know some turners that use a roughing gouge like a skew chisel at 45 degrees to the work and it leaves a very fine Finnish in dead

Still each to there own , some people are scared of skew chisels , but I use the OK :wink:

 

[Argee]

Fabulous lathe - well done, Al!

Ray.

 

[Jenx]

Its beautiful.
I loved the pic of it Mike showed before...
and I love it now.

Wonderful 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

 

[Mark Hancock]

I have never had a problem using a roughing gouge ?

Yes it can take a big cut if you are aggressive with it as with any tool :?

But will take on the comments made here and see what happens with a bowl gouge

I know some turners that use a roughing gouge like a skew chisel at 45 degrees to the work and it leaves a very fine Finnish in dead

Still each to there own , some people are scared of skew chisels , but I use the OK :wink:

Please, please DO NOT use a Spindle Roughing Gouge on cross grain timber. It was never designed to be used in this situation. As has been said the weakest is in the tang. In you are lucky it will just bend where the tang enters the handle. If you are not lucky it will break at that point and you have a sharp missile flying around the workshop until it hits you or something else.

The Spindle Roughing Gouge is for use only with Parallel Grain timber.

 

[jpt]

My thoughts are the same as most and that Spindle roughing gouges (to give them their full name) should never be used on cross grain.

Having said that I know a number of turners do use them and without problems, I am sure robo hippy will be along soon.

If you are going to use them make sure the rest is as close to the work as possible and that you only take light cuts.

If you dont this could happen.


Borrowed from another forum.

john

 

[Bodrighy]

I had a roughing gouge bend at right angles on a catch once before I knew any better when I first started) To be perfectly honest, a decent spindle gouge or even a bowl gouge works better anyway due to their shape. I am one of the ones who tends to use the roughing gouge at 45 degrees a bit like a skew and do often get a smooth finish from it but only on spindle work. Note that by spindle work I am alluding to the lay of the grain (along the bed) not to the type of turning.

Pete

 

[Mark Hancock]

Having said that I know a number of turners do use them and without problems, I am sure robo hippy will be along soon.

That can be said about a lot of things in life. Failure to work in a safe manner doesn't always result in accidents but it only has to happen once. For example would you advocate not wearing a seatbelt in a car because you drive safely and have never had an accident :?:

If you are going to use them make sure the rest is as close to the work as possible and that you only take light cuts.

Just don't do it.

 

[jpt]

Having said that I know a number of turners do use them and without problems, I am sure robo hippy will be along soon.

That can be said about a lot of things in life. Failure to work in a safe manner doesn't always result in accidents but it only has to happen once. For example would you advocate not wearing a seatbelt in a car because you drive safely and have never had an accident :?:

If you are going to use them make sure the rest is as close to the work as possible and that you only take light cuts.

Just don't do it.

I agree with you 100% Mark.

john

 

[cornucopia]

hello blister- good luck with your new lathe- i had a euro 2000 and 3000 made for poolewood by silverdrive (i belive) unfortunatley the blue lathes wernet up to much and they disposed of after lots and lots of problems. yours looks like its had allot of things alterd compared to my old one's- I hope yours is o.k for you.
best wish's
George

 

[Blister]

George

Thanks
for your reply

Mike Swaine has used this lathe for 2 years . its a 2006 year of manufacture

I also owned a Euro2000 only sold it as I could not get on the the head stock locking system

This Statesman is a beast of a lathe , I am well happy " at the moment :roll: "

Hope you are feeling better , and will be fully in the SPIN of things and can TURN it all around permanently :wink:

I am always BOWLED over by your work :mrgreen: :mrgreen: