OK here goes

[devonwoody]

So how many murderers have we got in prison.

30.000?

nowhere near, I think there is only 80-100k prison places in the UK so I doubt a third are murderers.

Or did he mean 30 (to three decimal places)......

Cheers

Karl

Yes per hundred.

 

[seanybaby]

The data is held at end of month only, therefore the figures for the 30th November 2005 are as follows: there were 3,816 murderers under sentence in prisons in England and Wales. Of these, 3,673 were male and 143 were female. All murderers serve a mandatory life sentence.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-...ment/300-persons-detained-in-prison?view=Html

Back on topic I don't think it should be brought back, but the sentences are definitely not long enough in most cases. However having longer sentences probably won't cut down the murder rate?

 

[devonwoody]

Thank you Sean, but you haven't given us the figures for all those that have now been released, and I assume some have even been released to create space,

 

[Slim]

The data is held at end of month only, therefore the figures for the 30th November 2005 are as follows: there were 3,816 murderers under sentence in prisons in England and Wales. Of these, 3,673 were male and 143 were female. All murderers serve a mandatory life sentence.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-...ment/300-persons-detained-in-prison?view=Html

With a total population of 81,264. Which makes the percentage of murderers 4.5%.

 

[devonwoody]

3600 inmates costing £50.000 each per year = around £180million multiplied by 20 years,

Hang em.

 

[Slim]

DW, it doesn't work if you just pick figures out of thin air.

In 2003-2004 it cost an average of £37,305 to keep a person in prison

 

[devonwoody]

DW, it doesn't work if you just pick figures out of thin air.

In 2003-2004 it cost an average of £37,305 to keep a person in prison

So there wont be much wrong with £50.000 in 2008.

Actually the £50k figure I think was quote last week by some official.

 

[Slim]

So there wont be much wrong with £50.000 in 2008.

True Sorry

 

[devonwoody]

The data is held at end of month only, therefore the figures for the 30th November 2005 are as follows: there were 3,816 murderers under sentence in prisons in England and Wales. Of these, 3,673 were male and 143 were female. All murderers serve a mandatory life sentence.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-...ment/300-persons-detained-in-prison?view=Html

With a total population of 81,264. Which makes the percentage of murderers 4.5%.

BTW in 1948 I should think the figure was less than 0.1% in prison, so hanging must work

 

[seanybaby]

Why hang them, when we can get them to dance :lol:

http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsS...95&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp

 

[Digit]

My mother and a cousin both died violent deaths at the hands of others.
Wanna know my opinion?

Roy.

 

[Karl]

My mother and a cousin both died violent deaths at the hands of others.
Wanna know my opinion?

Roy.

Roy

I found your post very sobering, in light of the jovial posts made earlier ( of which I made a couple ).

Anyway, I would be intrigued to hear your opinion, although that may be a rhetorical question.

Cheers

Karl

 

[Digit]

Very simple! Where proof is absolute, an eye for an eye!
Those of you with children. If you can say with absolute honesty that you would still reject the death penalty for the murder of your child, you have my deepest respect!

Roy.

 

[Karl]

Roy

That's an interesting question you pose.

I have, after a prolonged absence, returned to the Church, something which isn't very 8) in many peoples eyes. In fact I don't recall seeing another post referring to religion in the time I have been a member - hope it isn't on the "banned" list.....

I don't claim to know it all, or have any of the answers, but I know that I believe in there being only one judge. On that basis alone I would be opposed to the death penalty.

But if it were my child, I couldn't say with 100% certainty that I wouldn't be baying for their blood.

Food for thought.

Cheers

Karl

 

[caretaker]

I think they should get hard labor, how about digging my allotment....

 

[Digit]

Depends on your Church Karl. All mid east/western churches have a Judaic base and none proscribe the death penalty.
I was raised in Jewish family and only have qualms about blanket sentencing, as when a guilty verdict had but one result.
I was deeply moved many years ago when the DP was suspended, (it was later abolished for murder) by the sentence that was passed on a man who had killed his 12yr old son.
The boy had spinal cancer and was terminal and in great pain. The father smothered him then surrendered himself to the police. Only one verdict was possible and the jury found him guilty.
The judge gave him 2yrs probation, if I recall correctly, and stated, I feel that you will receive full forgiveness in this world and the next.
The poor devil killed himself a few weeks later.

Roy.

 

[Mike.C]

Karl wrote

I have, after a prolonged absence, returned to the Church, something which isn't very in many peoples eyes 8)

Nothing wrong with the Church Karl and certainly nothing to feel embarrassed about.

Cheers

Mike

 

[Karl]

Cheers Mike

Karl

 

[Rich]

This is obviously a very contentios issue and I don't pretend to have the answer but like others here on the forum have my opinions and to be truthful those opinions were formed from an early age by listening to my parents generation discussing the same topic.
however as you all know ones opinions change as you get older and as a yuong man I would have backed capital punishment to the hilt, fast forward 30 years and I have become "selective" in as much as I would like to see a graduated sentencing system.
Where a person like my self were to find his wife/kids being attacked and losing my head in a temper/blind panic and killing someone out of pure rage, I don't think this warrants C.P.
where, for instance a man is attacked and killed by a mob of youths because he was defending his property, 25-30 years inside a prison, NOT a holiday camp and every day to be served with no let off for good behaviour.
Where a person such as a robber goes out with a loaded gun with the intention of stealing someone else's possessions even if it means killing them, "premeditated" and it's beyond "any reasonable doubt" that he committed the crime, then YES, C.P. what's the point of wasting taxpayers
money keeping him alive, he's an arsxxxxe.
I appreciate this all sounds black and white but that's it for me.
regards, Rich.

PS. Hving said all this I don't think I'd have what it take's to be a judge.

 

[mailee]

If I had my way I would hang drug dealers and murderers not to mention terrorists. I am sure the world would be a far better place without them. I would also administer harsh sentences for theives and show them crime does not pay. It is only the do gooders who have messed everything up, if it carries on it will end in anarchy.