OK here goes

[devonwoody]

I heard on the news this morning that judges are to be told not to send anymore burglars to jail. Honest that what was said.


My wife says what are they going to do then. She says I suppose they will give them community sentences such as helping old ladies with their housework. Good idea I said, the robbing b's should find some more good leads that way.

OK, heres the moan.

If they hung all the murderers they had in prison, they would then have plenty of space to lock up burglars.

What do you think?

 

[woodbloke]

DW - I can see that this thread could get very long and quite contentious, but here's my 2 euros worth. While I can sympathize with that viewpoint but it's been shown time and again in various studies that capital punishment has little if no effect on the rate at which murders are committed, in other words it's not a deterrent. Further, it's almost impossible to guarantee 100% that you're going to execute the right individual...and if you have the wrong person, what do you do then afterwards when innocence has been proved? DNA testing has made proof of guilt much more likely, but to my mind, there will always be some element of doubt.
You only need to look at the miscarriages of justice that have occurred over the last couple of decades to realize that hanging is not an option - Rob

 

[devonwoody]

Rob, you dont need to worry about the miscarriage of justice, the bloke isnt around to complain. No smilie.

 

[woodbloke]

Kisko - Rob

 

[devonwoody]

If you send a murderer to prison for 20 years and he dies in prison before he is released and then it turns out there was a miscarriage of justice. What is the difference from hanging in the first place.
The poor chap did nineteen years knowing he was innocent so he would have been better off being hung in the first place.

We need the room to lock up the burglars.

 

[Paul Chapman]

Derek Bentley, Timothy Evans........the list goes on and on. The number of innocent people who have been hanged is appaling. For this reason alone they should never bring back capital punishment.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[devonwoody]

In this day and age I think there are medicinal drugs that would allow a question to be put to a defendant that would involve the truth of any disputed verdict to be adequately tested.

The drug need not involve pain or torture.

The legal profession would not like it tho, it would stop all their income they make from those legal appeals.

 

[tim]

Rob, you dont need to worry about the miscarriage of justice, the bloke isnt around to complain. No smilie.

Replace the word 'bloke' with 'Devonwoody' or your wife or daughter's name and its not difficult to see why your idea is dumb.

In many ways I believe that capital punishment in certain circumstances would be acceptable and better than life without parole. But ,and its a deal breaking but, the acceptability is removed if just one person is wrongly put to death. Consequently, there should be no capital punishment.

 

[devonwoody]

And what about the administering of a drug to obtain the truth from the defendant to solve that problem?

 

[Karl]

DW - what drug??? I think you've been reading too much Harry Potter....

Cheers

Karl

 

[devonwoody]

When my wife wants the truth, she keeps filling up my glass of whisky.

However I have some family members in the medical profession and they tell me if they were to repeat what they hear from patients under anesthetic the prisons population would be much larger than now.

 

[Mike.C]

DW it seems that under these drugs you have got more chance of coming up with a miscarriage of justice. :roll:

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=223

If hanging was still about we could have possibly hung 10 innocent people in just 2 cases (Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4). IMHO, one is too many.

Cheers

Mike

 

[devonwoody]

DW it seems that under these drugs you have got more chance of coming up with a miscarriage of justice. :roll:

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=223

If hanging was still about we could have possibly hung 10 innocent people in just 2 cases (Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4). IMHO, one is too many.

Cheers

Mike

So you have someone who has killed ten children in a classroom and there are 20 witnesses left plus the culprit is apprended with the sword in his hand and photographed trying to behead his next victim and he is covered with his victims blood and you still have doubts, well you could make sure by giving him a bottle of whisky and making him drink it over the period of two hours and then ask him if he enjoyed his killing spree, and if he said yes, you would still have some doubt about hanging him.

Anyone who thinks differently post his reason.

 

[Jake]

Because we are better than him.

 

[seanybaby]

If they hung all the murderers they had in prison, they would then have plenty of space to lock up burglars.

What do you think?

However there are not that many murderers in prison! Something like 70% of people in prison are in there because of drugs!

There are sick people who self medicate with cannabis is prison!

90% of burglars, burgle to fund there drug habits.

Legalise all drugs = less people criminalised and less burglaries.

Then we can start locking pedos and rapists up instead of giving them community service.

Food for thought :-k

 

[devonwoody]

OK, so we dont lock up burglars that are burgling to feed their drug habit but supply them with all the drugs they need so they can kill themselves.

Sounds a good proposition to me.

But still hang that fellow we caught in the classroom killing ten children even if it is your son or mine.

 

[Slim]

Hmmm... I never understood how death was a punishment. It seems like an easy way out of life in prison to me. Yet it is a punishment to the accused' family and friends.

Not entirley sure that legalising drugs would help. The two biggest 'legal' drugs, nicotine and alcohol, cause more problems than all of the illegal drugs combined. Such as cost to the NHS.

 

[RogerS]

......

Legalise all drugs = less people criminalised and less burglaries.
.......

Hear, hear...long overdue. Free issue drugs.

 

[RogerS]

Not entirley sure that legalising drugs would help. The two biggest 'legal' drugs, nicotine and alcohol, cause more problems than all of the illegal drugs combined. Such as cost to the NHS.

Simon..where is your evidence to back up that statement? How many people do you know who were burgled/mugged/robbed to feed someones nicotine habit?

Here's another contentious thought. The police have arrested someone who has admitted to planting a bomb in a public place. There is sufficient corroborating evidence to establish beyond doubt that this person is telling the truth and that the bomb is real. The police do not know where the bomb is located nor when it it is due to go off. So....should they be allowed to torture the person to reveal the information and so save countless lives and avoid personal injury to many others?

 

[Slim]

Sorry Roger, I didn't really mean in terms of crime. Although, you only have to look at any city centre on a Saturday night to see how alcohol cause crime. I meant the social and economic problems that come with these two.