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Thanks Wizer, I still think I'll go for the big one, the lathe(well fine dust) is the main concern, the bandsaw doesn't make too much fine stuff and what it does make is easily swept off the bench from around the outlet. The bench sanding machine can be hooked up to my old henry that lives out there.
 
wizer":2gqlfw80 said:
Thinking further, I could probably setup a little video test on this, as I have both units. If I setup some lights behind the inlet pipe, I should be able to shoot the difference in volume\efficiency?

Worth it?

Sounds good :D and should show the differences 8) I'll keep my finger off the 'buy it now' button :lol:

cheers JT
 
johnny.t.":1u0jxe1u said:
the bandsaw doesn't make too much fine stuff

You'd be surprised Johnny. Have you had a look inside ? you might find a few inches sat at the bottom on the case if you dont have extraction on it.

I find my BS generates lots of dust, but then i mainly cut up very dry wood.

Loz
 
I use the chip extractor for the BS, so you'll be ok with that. I also have a Henry plumbed into my workbench which works fine with the sanders and biscuit joiners, etc.

I'll get onto the video thing later and probably post sometime tomorrow.
 
wizer":1mbul79k said:
I use the chip extractor for the BS, so you'll be ok with that. I also have a Henry plumbed into my workbench which works fine with the sanders and biscuit joiners, etc.

I'll get onto the video thing later and probably post sometime tomorrow.

Cool :D 8)
 
I have an record 5000 HVLP for chip extraction ( I'm shortly going to replace this with a wheeled model as wall mounted is a pain), a jet ceiling mounted air filter , and a JSP powercap

some might call this overkill but i made myself extremly ill with taxine poisioning working yew with inadequate dust pro in 01 and I have leant my lesson.

I also use a power devil shop vac to fit on the smaller diameter machines like the ros.

I'm also thinking about buying a seperate extractor to fit on the bandsaw as my shop isnt ducted and continuall conecting/disconecting from the main dust extractor is a pain in the proverbial
 
Since Sunday afternoon I've had a terrible headache that i've not been able to shift. I get them occasionally and always assumed it was a response to the concoction of medication that I'm on. However, it dawned on me today that I was working without a mask when playing with the Roly Munro on Sunday and Monday. I normally wear the AirAce throughout my time in the 'shop but because it was wet wood and it was only a 'quick' couple of hours on both days I thought it wouldn't be necessary. Obviously I can't be certain the dust is responsible but it seems likely. So no more working without a mask. In fact, I'm tempted to use the rest of my birthday fund on a JSP mask.
 
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That's very similar to the system Chas uses. I tried it on at the bash and would agree it's probably the best all-round system. But it's quite expensive.
 
cambournepete":1kwjeiq4 said:
CHJ":1kwjeiq4 said:
I have my axminster 1200 fitted with a very coarse home made filter bag to increase air flow in an outside shed.
Sounds pretty much like my set-up, but I use the standard filter bag.
How much difference to the air flow does your home-made bag make, and what did you use?

About double I estimate, it will pick up a 70mm cube of wood quite happily, I have a box trap in the run to catch such items.
When I had the original fine bag, and later the coarser axminster bag 80% of shavings stayed in the box until it filled. Now about 20% stays trapped and then only until the box fills about 25%.

Talked sweetly to the boss and she machined up a piece of open weave poly-cotton material for me.
 
As some one said, if you don't have a dust collector, you become the dust collector, and I am fond of breathing.

First, there are several types of dust filtering systems.

One is a dust mask or positive pressure dust mask with motor and filter. Does a pretty good job of keeping dust out of your lungs but not out of your shop.

Another is the 'air scrubbers' which is a motorized filter that you put up in your shop to remove the tiny particles that hand around in the air for a couple of days and do the most damage when inhaled. They don't remove bulk dust from sanding.

There are the shop vacs, which I think are the same as your cam vacs. This is basically a vacuum cleaner. Fairly good for collecting dust from sanding and other small tools. Fairly noisy, and not that efficient.

Then there are the dust collectors. These are bigger machines which are intended to get most of the dust at the source. Most are 1 hp motors or bigger. There are a multitude of designs and types, and filtering systems to go along with them, but they move a lot of air. You can get a smaller one on wheels to move around from machine to machine, or a centralized system that sits in one spot and you set up duct work. A remote starting switch is really handy (keep it on a clip on the wall, or it will get lost in the shavings). They are not really good for sucking up shavings as there is usually a lot of bulk, and they can clog up your maching and fill your bag quickly. A shovel and rake are better at that.

There are single stage and two stage machines:

Single stage is a motor with an impellor (fan blade) and everything sucked up through the hose goes through the impellor into the bag. Fine if all that goes through is dust, but shavings, rags, chunks of wood and other things lying on the floor can do a lot of damage to the impellor.

Two stage is a cyclone or funnel which sorts out all the big bulk things, and only the fine dust goes through your impellor. There are a number of options from plastic lids that fit onto a metal garbage can, to fancy metal cones.

The filters are another important thing. The standard has been fabric which does a good job of filtering out the dust. They used to be all 5 micron bags, but there are now some that go down to 1 micron. The newest thing is the pleated paper filters. The biggest advantage they have is that they have several times the surface area of the cloth bags, so you get much better air flow, even when they start to fill up. Most of them are 1 micron filters.

As for venting the air out side or inside, the 5 micon bags will vent harmful dust back into the shop. Cloth bags when you first fire them up will have a poof of dust. The 1 micron bags will vent virtually no dust back into the shop. Venting to the outside of the shop is no problem in nice weather, but in the winter, it can cool off your shop in minutes.

The most important thing is to get as much dust at the source before it gets into the shop. A 4 inch hose will get most of it from small things like pens or boxes. If you go to bigger bowls, or hollow forms, or longer spindles, you want a hood or bigger vent than your hose. Check out the sanding hood at the Oneway lathes site. You can makea box of sorts, or there are some thing available in the stores.
I don't know what you have available over there, but check out Oneida Dust collectors. I don't have the link, but you can web search them.

robo hippy
 
Reed: Do you run the extractor whilst turning? Or just sanding?
 
For bowls, I don't need the extractor on, but most of the time need an apron or rain coat. I turn green to final thickness. For spindles, boxes or other dry turning, the extractor is on full time, with the proper hood.

robo hippy
 
wizer":201lcpb0 said:
In fact, I'm tempted to use the rest of my birthday fund on a JSP mask.

If you do dont get the lite version (the one with the battery integreal to the hat) as toolpost have had major problems with jsps quality control on that one - if you get the other version - the standard power cap - with the belt mounted battery there are hardly any reported failures and I'm very happy with mine

one general point is that those with a lot of hair can find the hat tight - not likely to be a problem for tom tho

the other thing to note is that although peter (helmsley from toolpost)wont thank me for highlighting it screwfix are carrying the powercap standard now and are cheaper than toolpost - tho that said toolpost are undoubtedly better if theres a problem.

the other point worth mentioning is that you cant wear standard ear defenders with the powercap - but axminster do some (uvex behind the ear defenders) which are specially designed for wearing with hats and these are compatible.

btw are you sure the headache isnt down to a birthday beverage or 9 :eek:ccasion5:
 
big soft moose":mecna2gt said:
btw are you sure the headache isnt down to a birthday beverage or 9 :eek:ccasion5:

I really wish it was Pete, but I've been off the drink for about 3yrs now due to medication :roll: :(

Thanks for the tip about screwfix, I think someone said at the bash that the Bradwest version is cheaper but identical. Will check it out, I think this certainly makes sense over what I was saving for (not telling :wink:)

I use normal ear defenders when running the RSDE2 or P/T but I have a stash of in ear plugs too so shouldn't be an issue.
 
wizer":26006qao said:
Thanks for the tip about screwfix, I think someone said at the bash that the Bradwest version is cheaper but identical. Will check it out, I think this certainly makes sense over what I was saving for (not telling :wink:)

nah the bradwest aircap is basically an underspecified version of the powercap - the filtration isnt as good and the visor int impact rated (which you want if you are spinning big lumps of wood arround)

bradwest are a subsidary of jsp anyway so it isnt going to be identical but cheaper - it looks identical but the spec aint the same.

you might also want to look at the trend airshield - somepeople prefer them as they are roomier and look better built (and can have integral ear defenders ) - but some find them very heavy on the forehead for prolonged use. At the moment axminster are offering the best deal on airshields as they are throwing in a replacement filter set foc
 
no i was reffering to this one http://www.bradwest.com/acatalog/AIRCAP ... ginal.html which is cheaper than the powercap but lacks the impact rated viser

the one you've posted looks pretty much the same as the power cap but then the price is pretty much the same too (138 vs 145 )

given that bradwest and jsp are essentially the same company this isnt a big suprise.
 

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