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Does anyone have a good way of drilling large and long holes from the tailstock? I’m currently drilling to the maximum reach of the tailstock, then sliding the whole thing along the lathe bed. Inevitably, I’m getting run-out as I retighten the clamp. In order to reduce snagging and squeals, I’m using cutting paste from my engineering lathe to ease the drill’s movement. Not sure that’s what I’m supposed to do..?

Thanks (yet again!)

Jerry.
 
Please define 'large'.

Please define 'long'.

Please state what tool you are currently using to make the hole (for example 12mm diameter standard length HSS twist drill).
 
Please define 'large'.

Please define 'long'.

Please state what tool you are currently using to make the hole (for example 12mm diameter standard length HSS twist drill).
I've tried a number of different bits, but seem to get best results from augers. My target is 25mm diameter and 150mm deep. HSS blacksmith drills tend to bind most, possibly because the debris withdrawl is not hugely effective for high volumes of wood shavings. I'd like to try forstner bits, but do not have any extentions for mine, so I don't know how good they would be at the depth I'm looking for. I haven't got any spade bits or brad points big enough to prove their worth in this situation. Unfortunately, none of my collet chucks fit the tailstock, so am limited to a jacobs on a separate taper.
 
Does anyone have a good way of drilling large and long holes from the tailstock? I’m currently drilling to the maximum reach of the tailstock, then sliding the whole thing along the lathe bed. Inevitably, I’m getting run-out as I retighten the clamp. In order to reduce snagging and squeals, I’m using cutting paste from my engineering lathe to ease the drill’s movement. Not sure that’s what I’m supposed to do..?

Thanks (yet again!)

Jerry.
If it is working, I don't see a problem?

You can always try moving the tailstock up while the lathe is turning. If the drill is in the hole I have never had any problems or catches.
 
If it is working, I don't see a problem?

You can always try moving the tailstock up while the lathe is turning. If the drill is in the hole I have never had any problems or catches.
It is working, but is a bit of an effort to keep the jacobs chuck from spinning on the taper when the drill bit snags - hence the use of metal cutting/tapping paste. I will certainly continue with this approach - just felt that there should be something more suitable.
 
Hiya pm sent
I can pos set you up here with tool to drill hole
I have extender so 150 mm is not a problem. I am in Titchfield so not to far from you
You can always put some bees wax on the tool to reduce friction
 
I'm sure there are many variations of technique. This is what I do.

First to deal with the chuck slipping in the tailstock. The Morse taper must be clean and dry, use kitchen roll or similar and use a pencil to get it down the full length of the taper inside. If it's a self ejecting tailstock extend it a few turns so the chuck bottoms out properly. Insert it then thwack it on its nose with a wooden mallet or block. That should stop it moving.

Off to peel carrots, more later.....
 
For 25mm diameter, a forstner bit is a good bet. A so-called 'wood beaver' bit might also do well.

If you have metal turning ability, you could make an extension piece for them that is generous in diameter (e.g. 3/4" diameter) for stiffness and which is a good fit on the shank of the actual bit you own or buy. That would keep everything nice and concentric.

Most bought extensions have to cater for variations in drill shank dimensions so a one-size-fits-all is a one-size-does-not-fit-anything-well. Making a bespoke one eliminates this compromise.

Wave a hoover with crevice tool on it near the end of the hole as that will help with shaving removal.

With a standard twist drill, if you have a compressor, a blow gun aimed into the hole may help displace the debris (but make a mess). Waxing the flutes of the drill bit might also make the swarf move easier.

With any lubricant you use, you have to consider (or guard against) it having undesirable effects on any future finish you want to apply to the hole.
 
I would think using a Wood Beaver in a tailstock a recipe for an accident.

You can reduce or eliminate the self-feeding of the tip by drilling an appropriate pilot hole. Or grind off the threads on the tip that cause it to self-feed.

The advantage I see is that it has nice wide flutes for swarf removal and in 25mm size, the working length is given as 125mm, not far off the desired 150mm.
 
Continuing, carrots cooked and eaten.

Bits with a proper centre help, like a wood bit, forstner or spade. A small c 4 mm pilot hole might be useful if you are using a general purpose bit.

Lathe speed is a bit "see how it goes". If you can smell burning it's too fast 🚒. If it's cutting well and small you can crank it up a bit, I usually start around 500 rpm. Assuming you have a well marked centre, with a bit of a hole (bradawl or nail) to stop it wandering from the start, bring up the tailstock, lock it and start drilling by turning the handwheel as you normally do Establish the hole, maybe 30 mm or so, then unlock the tailstock and withdraw the drill by pulling back, left hand on the Jacobs chuck but nowhere near the spinning wood. That clears the flutes much more quickly than winding it back on the handwheel. If it's all cutting nicely all you need to do is keep sliding the tailstock in to drill and out to clear , if it's hard going, type of wood or drill not great, then you bring it in until you get contact and go back to using the handwheel. The main thing is not to be afraid to bring the tailstock back to clear debris. If your first 30 mm or so is where you want it the drill bit will always find it's way back in the right place.

For this to work, the tailstock needs to move freely so you can just ease off the lock rather than loosen it too much. Assuming you have a cast bed lathe, clean the bed and rub a little beeswax block or similar along it. Don't forget the underneath, work out which bits of the casting the tailstock locking plate runs along, clean and wax that as well. Good general practice anyway regardless of drilling. (Makes the banjo move nicely). No experience with bars but I guess there will be some suitable lubricant.

Think what the hole is for. When I do a table lamp drilled from both ends I know there is zero chance of 8 mm holes meeting in the middle, they drift. I do 8 mm from the top then 25 ish from the bottom, no one will ever see that the 8 is off centre when it meets the 25, all that matters is feeding a cable through.
 
I'm sure there are many variations of technique. This is what I do.

First to deal with the chuck slipping in the tailstock. The Morse taper must be clean and dry, use kitchen roll or similar and use a pencil to get it down the full length of the taper inside. If it's a self ejecting tailstock extend it a few turns so the chuck bottoms out properly. Insert it then thwack it on its nose with a wooden mallet or block. That should stop it moving.

Off to peel carrots, more later.....
How did the carrots get on? Have to admit, I’ve been on dog-walking duty since posting this thread.

I think I should be a bit more careful about cleaning the taper, I can easily see a bit of wood dust reducing the grip between the two pieces. I do tend to leave a small gap between the ejection bar and the male taper, just in case…
 
Continuing, carrots cooked and eaten.

Bits with a proper centre help, like a wood bit, forstner or spade. A small c 4 mm pilot hole might be useful if you are using a general purpose bit.

Lathe speed is a bit "see how it goes". If you can smell burning it's too fast 🚒. If it's cutting well and small you can crank it up a bit, I usually start around 500 rpm. Assuming you have a well marked centre, with a bit of a hole (bradawl or nail) to stop it wandering from the start, bring up the tailstock, lock it and start drilling by turning the handwheel as you normally do Establish the hole, maybe 30 mm or so, then unlock the tailstock and withdraw the drill by pulling back, left hand on the Jacobs chuck but nowhere near the spinning wood. That clears the flutes much more quickly than winding it back on the handwheel. If it's all cutting nicely all you need to do is keep sliding the tailstock in to drill and out to clear , if it's hard going, type of wood or drill not great, then you bring it in until you get contact and go back to using the handwheel. The main thing is not to be afraid to bring the tailstock back to clear debris. If your first 30 mm or so is where you want it the drill bit will always find it's way back in the right place.

For this to work, the tailstock needs to move freely so you can just ease off the lock rather than loosen it too much. Assuming you have a cast bed lathe, clean the bed and rub a little beeswax block or similar along it. Don't forget the underneath, work out which bits of the casting the tailstock locking plate runs along, clean and wax that as well. Good general practice anyway regardless of drilling. (Makes the banjo move nicely). No experience with bars but I guess there will be some suitable lubricant.

Think what the hole is for. When I do a table lamp drilled from both ends I know there is zero chance of 8 mm holes meeting in the middle, they drift. I do 8 mm from the top then 25 ish from the bottom, no one will ever see that the 8 is off centre when it meets the 25, all that matters is feeding a cable through.
Lathe is a Coronet Herald, and I think a bit of judicious waxing would make quite an improvement to the tailstock smoothness. I’ve been using the majority length of flutes before pulling back, so I might try drilling only about 30mm at a time, especially if the tail is sliding more smoothly.
 
Brass rifle cleaning brush works very well for the through tapers, although that is completely irrelevant to the original question
 
Whatever drill you use on the lathe you have to pull back frequently to get the shavings out. If you push on and compact the shavings then things heat up. As has been said a rub of wax on the bit may be a little help but getting the shavings out is the best option. A sharp forstner is my go to for anything larger than 12mm. When you have gone as far as the shank will go then you can put on the extension if you need more depth. The hole already there helps guide the bit. Lastly never unlock the tailstock while the lathe is spinning and drill is in the hole. There was a clip shown on here some time back of the wood and drill chuck flying off in different directions. I could not find it but here is another.
accidents drilling with a wood lathe - Google Search
Any side movement loosens the morse taper and the laws of physics take over.
Regards
John
 
The best tool I have found are long shank TC tipped bits sold by Rockler in the US. I don't see 25mm but they have a I inch bit if you can bear to part with $51 + shipping. They are about 4 inches long so some movement of the tailstock is still necessary.. Nice clean cuts even in endgrain and the bit will last a lifetime.
 
Hi. I have Fisch forstner bits from Axminster Tools. The Fisch extension accessory is made for their bits so is a very good fit. This minimises runout. As others have said frequent shaving removal is the key. The deeper the hole gets, the more the shavings compact behind the bit thus creating heat and friction. Good luck.
 
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