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[Bonnie-Woody]

Help needed please.

Many thanks,

Karen.

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

Ok, so that was short and sweet because I lost my last one when I tried to attach a picture.
Firstly, I'll try and find out how to do that as it will make life easier when describing the advice I need

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

Just checking if the pic works.

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

Ok, so now I'd love your expertise advice please. I am currently working on projects similar to the above pictures. The advice I need is as follows;

1. How should I attach the glass to the barrel? I don't really want to use glue. Some kind of retaining clip? Some sticky circle things?

2. Also, I'd like to have some so that the lid can rotate enabling the customer to put things in the barrel. I have in my mind some kind of metal rod going through the glass and then into the barrel, but I have no idea whether anything like this exists. Also I think I'd like to try and fix the glass to the barrel with a hinge, making the glass into a lift up lid. I've researched the internet and read about a barrel hinge maybe.

You guys are the experts and I'd appreciate any advice and guidance you'd like to throw my way.

Many thanks for your time,

Karen.

 

[SteveF]

I am sure loads of advice will follow

how about cutting top inch off barrel and hing it there
or even a metal dowel so it rotates...might need more than an inch though

attach glass..i can't think how...to top inch

Steve

 

[hansonread]

Firstly, does the storage need to be something readily accessible, or is it for display purposes only? If its for display only, then I would suggest that you dont fix the glass down at all, instead drill 4 5.5mm (really important not to use a 6mm drill) holes equaly around the circumferance of the barrel, in to those hole screw M6 cap head bolts, like these https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cap+h ... B360%3B360

Place the barrel on a level surface and then screw the screws into the holes all the way, so there is no longer any thread showing, the screws will cut there own thred in the wood, and should stay there nicely enough to not have to worry about cutting a thread into the wood or epoxying a nut in etc. these 4 platforms then become little leveling posts that you can screw in and out to take up and descrepency in the rim of the barrel.

I would then fill the head of the bolt with a clear epoxy right to the top and once hardened file/sand off and polish to match the stainless steel bolt. On top of this now flat surface I would then stick little domed door buffers the type you would stick onto a kitchen door to then rest the glass on, the weight of the glass would provide you with ample friction for the glass to remain in place yet still be easy enough to change the display within.

I have made a square box with a glass lid that swung out of the way without disturbing the stuff on top of the table but custom made the mechanism to suit, and without knowing if you have access to a metal turning lathe, welding equipment and the ability to use UV activated glue for sticking things to glass its a bit involved to go into on here.

If a mechanism like that was something you were really after I could talk you through how to make one, or even make it for you, but even at mates rates, its still not a cheep thing to produce.

 

[SteveF]

are you making the barels?

could you put vertical banding and get one of them to swivel out..with glass attached

Steve

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

I am sure loads of advice will follow

how about cutting top inch off barrel and hing it there
or even a metal dowel so it rotates...might need more than an inch though

attach glass..i can't think how...to top inch

Steve

Thanks for your reply Steve. Do you mean cut the top of the barrel and then lay it across?

 

[SteveF]

cut off top x amount of inches of barrel with table \ bandsaw \ handsaw
only prob i can see is it might fall apart
maybe put a metal band round it
u could then hinge the 2 parts..bit difficult on a round to fit a hinge

i hope everyone on forum excuses me...I type aloud without thinking ahead

Steve

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

Firstly, does the storage need to be something readily accessible, or is it for display purposes only? If its for display only, then I would suggest that you dont fix the glass down at all, instead drill 4 5.5mm (really important not to use a 6mm drill) holes equaly around the circumferance of the barrel, in to those hole screw M6 cap head bolts, like these https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cap+h ... B360%3B360

Place the barrel on a level surface and then screw the screws into the holes all the way, so there is no longer any thread showing, the screws will cut there own thred in the wood, and should stay there nicely enough to not have to worry about cutting a thread into the wood or epoxying a nut in etc. these 4 platforms then become little leveling posts that you can screw in and out to take up and descrepency in the rim of the barrel.

I would then fill the head of the bolt with a clear epoxy right to the top and once hardened file/sand off and polish to match the stainless steel bolt. On top of this now flat surface I would then stick little domed door buffers the type you would stick onto a kitchen door to then rest the glass on, the weight of the glass would provide you with ample friction for the glass to remain in place yet still be easy enough to change the display within.

I have made a square box with a glass lid that swung out of the way without disturbing the stuff on top of the table but custom made the mechanism to suit, and without knowing if you have access to a metal turning lathe, welding equipment and the ability to use UV activated glue for sticking things to glass its a bit involved to go into on here.

If a mechanism like that was something you were really after I could talk you through how to make one, or even make it for you, but even at mates rates, its still not a cheep thing to produce.

Hi, thank you very much for your reply. I wanted the rotating lid to be practical, enabling the customer to use daily if needs be (not on the fixed one though). I am a tad confused as to the screws and the purpose of the glass lying on them. That's because of my lack of understanding and knowledge and not your explanation, I'm sure everyone else understands, I'm just struggling a bit as I'm not a professional. I do love to learn though, especially where woodwork is concerned, I love it ;-)

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

are you making the barels?

could you put vertical banding and get one of them to swivel out..with glass attached

Steve

What would you attach it with Steve?

This is also a lovely idea, but I really like the simplicity of the first pic.

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

are you making the barels?

could you put vertical banding and get one of them to swivel out..with glass attached

Steve

No, I'm not making the barrel. I'm having them delivered, 1/4, 1/2 and full size.

 

[hansonread]

Firstly, does the storage need to be something readily accessible, or is it for display purposes only? If its for display only, then I would suggest that you dont fix the glass down at all, instead drill 4 5.5mm (really important not to use a 6mm drill) holes equaly around the circumferance of the barrel, in to those hole screw M6 cap head bolts, like these https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cap+h ... B360%3B360

Place the barrel on a level surface and then screw the screws into the holes all the way, so there is no longer any thread showing, the screws will cut there own thred in the wood, and should stay there nicely enough to not have to worry about cutting a thread into the wood or epoxying a nut in etc. these 4 platforms then become little leveling posts that you can screw in and out to take up and descrepency in the rim of the barrel.

I would then fill the head of the bolt with a clear epoxy right to the top and once hardened file/sand off and polish to match the stainless steel bolt. On top of this now flat surface I would then stick little domed door buffers the type you would stick onto a kitchen door to then rest the glass on, the weight of the glass would provide you with ample friction for the glass to remain in place yet still be easy enough to change the display within.

I have made a square box with a glass lid that swung out of the way without disturbing the stuff on top of the table but custom made the mechanism to suit, and without knowing if you have access to a metal turning lathe, welding equipment and the ability to use UV activated glue for sticking things to glass its a bit involved to go into on here.

If a mechanism like that was something you were really after I could talk you through how to make one, or even make it for you, but even at mates rates, its still not a cheep thing to produce.

Hi, thank you very much for your reply. I wanted the rotating lid to be practical, enabling the customer to use daily if needs be (not on the fixed one though). I am a tad confused as to the screws and the purpose of the glass lying on them. That's because of my lack of understanding and knowledge and not your explanation, I'm sure everyone else understands, I'm just struggling a bit as I'm not a professional. I do love to learn though, especially where woodwork is concerned, I love it ;-)

You say customer, can I ask what you do for a living?

The screws are there to act as means to level the top if the half barrel wasn't perfectly straight.

Its fun learning, a day without learning is a day wasted!

 

[RogerS]

why do you want to fix it at all! toughened glass is pretty heavy. little overlap so no tipping

 

[yetloh]

I assume you are having the glass made for these. One solution for future pieces would be to have them made with 3 or 4 holes drilled and placed just inside the inner circumference of the barrel. You could then put bolts/studs through these holes that project down into the barrel and locate the top so that it cannot be easily displaced. The top could then be easily lifted off and replaced for access to the inside. I am sure it would be possible to find some sort of fitting - perhaps with a domed top - that would look attractive. For existing glass you could perhaps glue pieces of stainless or brass rod to the underside (strong glass adhesives are available) to perform the same function and cover the glue fromthe top by means of a glued on disc of the same metal. These are relatively crude solutions but they would work and if well executed could look smart.

Jim

 

[Harbo]

My parents had a round GPlan glass topped table many years ago. The glass will be very heavy and provided it didn't overhang too much, I don't think any fixing will be required - gravity will keep it in place?

For access just slide it off a bit?

Rod

 

[Phil Pascoe]

The glass sat in a recess, though, on a G plan one. Whatever you do with the glass, make sure you fix every stave through every hoop, or the barrel will end up falling apart as it dries out. Any wood left over is good for smoking fish or meat, or possibly pen blanks if you know the provenance of the barrel.

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

Firstly, does the storage need to be something readily accessible, or is it for display purposes only? If its for display only, then I would suggest that you dont fix the glass down at all, instead drill 4 5.5mm (really important not to use a 6mm drill) holes equaly around the circumferance of the barrel, in to those hole screw M6 cap head bolts, like these https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cap+h ... B360%3B360

Place the barrel on a level surface and then screw the screws into the holes all the way, so there is no longer any thread showing, the screws will cut there own thred in the wood, and should stay there nicely enough to not have to worry about cutting a thread into the wood or epoxying a nut in etc. these 4 platforms then become little leveling posts that you can screw in and out to take up and descrepency in the rim of the barrel.

I would then fill the head of the bolt with a clear epoxy right to the top and once hardened file/sand off and polish to match the stainless steel bolt. On top of this now flat surface I would then stick little domed door buffers the type you would stick onto a kitchen door to then rest the glass on, the weight of the glass would provide you with ample friction for the glass to remain in place yet still be easy enough to change the display within.

I have made a square box with a glass lid that swung out of the way without disturbing the stuff on top of the table but custom made the mechanism to suit, and without knowing if you have access to a metal turning lathe, welding equipment and the ability to use UV activated glue for sticking things to glass its a bit involved to go into on here.

If a mechanism like that was something you were really after I could talk you through how to make one, or even make it for you, but even at mates rates, its still not a cheep thing to produce.

Hi, thank you very much for your reply. I wanted the rotating lid to be practical, enabling the customer to use daily if needs be (not on the fixed one though). I am a tad confused as to the screws and the purpose of the glass lying on them. That's because of my lack of understanding and knowledge and not your explanation, I'm sure everyone else understands, I'm just struggling a bit as I'm not a professional. I do love to learn though, especially where woodwork is concerned, I love it ;-)

You say customer, can I ask what you do for a living?

The screws are there to act as means to level the top if the half barrel wasn't perfectly straight.

Its fun learning, a day without learning is a day wasted!

This is my new hobby, up cycling old furniture etc and selling it. I'd prefer not to say what I do for a living on an open forum.

Ah, ok, I've got ya now regarding the screws

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

why do you want to fix it at all! toughened glass is pretty heavy. little overlap so no tipping

I did think of that but wasn't too sure. What would you recommend for the glass, 6mm?

 

[Bonnie-Woody]

I assume you are having the glass made for these. One solution for future pieces would be to have them made with 3 or 4 holes drilled and placed just inside the inner circumference of the barrel. You could then put bolts/studs through these holes that project down into the barrel and locate the top so that it cannot be easily displaced. The top could then be easily lifted off and replaced for access to the inside. I am sure it would be possible to find some sort of fitting - perhaps with a domed top - that would look attractive. For existing glass you could perhaps glue pieces of stainless or brass rod to the underside (strong glass adhesives are available) to perform the same function and cover the glue fromthe top by means of a glued on disc of the same metal. These are relatively crude solutions but they would work and if well executed could look smart.

Jim

Thanks Jim. I've had loads of ideas spinning round in my head, you all make so much sense when you describe things.

Yes I'm having the glass made. I will be speaking to them about drilling holes etc and getting any advice I can from them.

I'm off to Screwfix now, I love tools :-D