New Bergerac

[kinverkid]

I didn't watch the original Bergerac series and have no interest in watching this one but that's because Detective series don't 'rock my boat'. But, I read Stuarts first few lines and saw the word 'Woke' a word used to describe people who are aware of what is going on around them rather than living in ignorance or a bubble. But the second word that got my attention was Caucasian. This is a word that for many years has not been used in the UK for many years except for people willing to accept US American English over UK British English. It is a part of three descriptors no longer used as race classification - Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid based on a now-disproven theory of biological race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

But, we are also discussing injecting reality into a fictional Detective series that deals with an unusual amount of murders compared to real life on the small Channel island?

 

[Jacob]

Any comments on this 'New' woke-edition? I for one am, I found it 'racist' against Caucasians, with SO many non-Caucasian police officers in such a confine on Jersey.

What would be the correct ratio do you think?

Some reviews said the series is 'dark' - I know what that means now. I saw more non-white officers in one episode than I've ever seen in the West Mercia!

So what? https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/news/spotlighting-jerseys-african-community/

How can the producers expect us to accept the credibility of the production?

It's a fantasy TV prog not a documentary! Maybe you didn't know it was fictional?

It needs a reverse 'trigger warning', as I took offence! The music was so loud, more like that at a 'rave', making dialogue difficult to hear. One episode was one too many, so I for one, won't be watching any more.

Nor me, but for different reasons. You could watch Vera instead? Middle aged women tend to get over represented, but who's counting! It is also fiction, maybe you didn't know - there is no actual Vera in real life.

.....I am NOT racist, ....

That's what they all say!

 

[Chubber]

Surely it must be reflecting 'reel life' ? (See what I did there?)

If we are to believe the world as per the Idiots' Lantern it must do, because virtually every advertisement in the last five years includes black actors or actresses or features a mixed- race family.

An exception to this appears to be mainstream motor car manufacturers who steadfastly portray Caucasian European drivers. Perhaps because their adverts are expensive to make, so a 'one-size fits all' approach is needed as they will be screened Europe-wide with different language voice overs in countries with far less liberal and 'woke' agendas.

I can't currently see a prospective German buyer warming to the latest Mercedes model were it being heavily touted by a Turk or a Black actor.

 

[John Brown]

Honestly, what a storm in a teacup/load of nonsense!
How many white actors have played Othello? Why is it only girls who get to play Dick Whittington?

 

[selectortone]

Good grief - I thought 'caucasian' went out with '70s American police shows.

 

[JSW]

I’d like to see Tom Cruise in the staring role of the life of Nelson Mandela because I’m sure he would do a magnificent job, but I can’t see that happening somehow …

Why not, he portrayed Jack Reacher in 2 films

Just pick the best actors for the job! For me their acting ability is all; if they play the part convincingly, I am convinced.

See above

 

[Scruples]

Losing interest because of the colour of the actors skin or their gender?

Indeed, that can happen to a mis-cast drama. It adds nothing to the plot but detracts from its credibility.

 

[Scruples]

What would be the correct ratio do you think?

So what? https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/news/spotlighting-jerseys-african-community/


It's a fantasy TV prog not a documentary! Maybe you didn't know it was fictional?

Nor me, but for different reasons. You could watch Vera instead? Middle aged women tend to get over represented, but who's counting! It is also fiction, maybe you didn't know - there is no actual Vera in real life.

That's what they all say!

And stuart was right...

He was highlighting the discrepancies between reality and casting in TV programmes. That they lose credibility when the viewer sees the casting as one of pseudo-political ethics (wokeism) rather than what would expect to see in reality. It also applies to the gender of senior characters in period dramas where women, gays and coloured characters would never have worked in such high offices.

This latest fad of wokeism is an overshoot of feelings, from those that have feelings, about their race, colour or whatever gender they say they are.

We are, currently seeing a slight reversal of this overshoot as companies realise that its management posts should be on merit, not gender. It will find a new norm, eventually for all of the above.

In science and technological design, there has to be an error, in any system, before correction can be calculated and corrected. It appears that it applies to human society too.

Note to Jacob - I'm not racist or sexist. I am a little dubious about gender fluidity, though, but, of course, that's what we all say...

 

[DavidRa]

I have family in Jersey and visit regularly and there are plenty of non- white people so the colour quotient didn’t jar but the series is pretty poor tbh. Where the colour quotient did jar was Blitz set in WW2 London where apparently most policemen and Air Raid Wardens were non white. Maybe it’s a generational thing, but that was so far from the truth that it damaged the credibility of the storyline.

 

[TRITON]

Any comments on this 'New' woke-edition? I for one am, I found it 'racist' against Caucasians, with SO many non-Caucasian police officers in such a confine on Jersey. Some reviews said the series is 'dark' - I know what that means now. I saw more non-white officers in one episode than I've ever seen in the West Mercia! How can the producers expect us to accept the credibility of the production? It needs a reverse 'trigger warning', as I took offence! The music was so loud, more like that at a 'rave', making dialogue difficult to hear. One episode was one too many, so I for one, won't be watching any more. Oh, as for the characters, not at all impressed, especially Crozier (very annoying), & where did Molony spring from - never 'eard of 'im. Charley Hungerford having a 'gender swap'????/??

PS. No offence intended, but it does help when life as it is, is portrayed realistically - but then again it's become a 'Nanny-State'. I am NOT racist, BUT, I believe it should work BOTH ways.

It's just inclusivity, we are after all for the most part a multi-cultural world.

a boat load of illegals landed on their shores

Which isnt actually illegal under international law. 'Illegal' is a misnomer, which is only put forth by the extremist right wing as part of their populist culture war
Anyone fleeing war, tyranny,etc can land a boat on the UK shores. You have to keep in mind though that the only reason people are actually risking their lives to cross the channel, is because the tories shut all the safe routes, or made actually applying in many cases and aspects near impossible.

Besides, in immigration terms, the boat crossings only make up between 1-2% of all immigration to the UK.
There have been several tv programs showing the benefits of migration. My favourite is 'Bargain loving immigrants in the sun'

 

[Jacob]

I have family in Jersey and visit regularly and there are plenty of non- white people so the colour quotient didn’t jar but the series is pretty poor tbh. Where the colour quotient did jar was Blitz set in WW2 London where apparently most policemen and Air Raid Wardens were non white. Maybe it’s a generational thing, but that was so far from the truth that it damaged the credibility of the storyline.

Don't worry about it in time you will stop noticing the colour of a person's skin. Black people played an enormous part in WW2 but traditionally got written out of the story. Good to see a bit of balance being restored.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/they...ricans-in-britain-during-the-second-world-war

 

[Vulcan]

Indeed, that can happen to a mis-cast drama. It adds nothing to the plot but detracts from its credibility.

There was a historical drama aired on TV many years ago. A black woman was cast in the role of a French princess who later married the king of England. This seemed somewhat unbelievable so I looked it up. All depictions of the real princess showed a pale skinned woman with long blonde hair.

These type of programmes may not be the best source of information but at one time they did educate as well as entertain to some degree. Sadly no more.

 

[Jacob]

There was a historical drama aired on TV many years ago. A black woman was cast in the role of a French princess who later married the king of England. This seemed somewhat unbelievable so I looked it up. All depictions of the real princess showed a pale skinned woman with long blonde hair.

Yes but so what? Did you check the King and others for hair colour and skin tones?

 

[Diver Fred]

I/we watched it - the wife watched the original series when they were first shown way back when. Me I've been catching up either recording or catchup from 'U'.
Now I can't quite work out what this new series is supposed to be; some of the storyline seems to be present day, some seem to be prequel. Prequels are always difficult and really needs a competent writer to create properly.
Hadn't really noticed the 'woke' element - most memorable bit for me is Glenister playing Glenister. Guess I'll watch the rest of the series but on the strength of the first episode I hope they don't do any more.

 

[pip1954]

Well I would like to thank little stuart for bringing it up as straight away everyone harps on about rasist it is not about being racist, I can fully understand where he is coming from to many programs seem to feel they have to have an unfair amount of coloured people in the programs or adverts ,they make it seem like we are swamped in non white people in this or other countries like said I know it's only a program but it makes it unbelievable to the viewer.
As the old saying goes don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Jacob]

Well I would like to thank little stuart for bringing it up as straight away everyone harps on about rasist it is not about being racist, I can fully understand where he is coming from to many programs seem to feel they have to have an unfair amount of coloured people in the programs or adverts ,they make it seem like we are swamped in non white people in this or other countries like said I know it's only a program but it makes it unbelievable to the viewer.
As the old saying goes don't shoot the messenger.

Did you or he ever object when there was an imbalance the other way? If not why not?
Do you always count the number of dark skinned people?

 

[Vulcan]

This is a more recent example of what I mentioned earlier. Another casting mistake in my view was Timothy Spall as the Duke of Norfolk. For what little I saw of the show he wasn’t convincing. I have very much enjoyed his acting in other productions though.

 

[Majimoto]

I didn't watch the original Bergerac series and have no interest in watching this one but that's because Detective series don't 'rock my boat'. But, I read Stuarts first few lines and saw the word 'Woke' a word used to describe people who are aware of what is going on around them rather than living in ignorance or a bubble. But the second word that got my attention was Caucasian. This is a word that for many years has not been used in the UK for many years except for people willing to accept US American English over UK British English. It is a part of three descriptors no longer used as race classification - Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid based on a now-disproven theory of biological race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

But, we are also discussing injecting reality into a fictional Detective series that deals with an unusual amount of murders compared to real life on the small Channel island?

Is anyone left living in Midsommer?

 

[velar]

Nor was it taken that way by me. I understood that the ibalance of actors in some programmes are unnecessarily skered towards over-diversity. I stopped watching Doctor Who, which I've watched from episode 1, for that very reason, and I've read that it may soon end completely. I think it's not just me.
Other historical dramas, too, suffer the same way with coloured actors, whose parts would have have been exclusively white in reality. Of course, to mention it is to draw the wokeists attention and cry foul.

Doctor Who is, in very significant part, literally about aliens. I am genuinely interested to hear a more complete explanation of how it can be 'skewed towards over-diversity'

 

[Jacob]

This is a more recent example of what I mentioned earlier. Another casting mistake in my view was Timothy Spall as the Duke of Norfolk. For what little I saw of the show he wasn’t convincing.

Was it his skin tone? What did the real Duke look like?
Do you always check them against original pics?