Phil Pascoe
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Modern Plane Irons
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My default kitchen knife is an ordinary stainless steel cook's knife left behind by a flatmate thirty something years ago. I think he was given it by his mum.
Am I just a cheapskate or am I cutting an independent path past all the branding and marketing?
I do manage to chop onions etc whenever I need to. :wink:
Am I just a cheapskate or am I cutting an independent path past all the branding and marketing?
I do manage to chop onions etc whenever I need to. :wink:
AndyT":3sftrkb1 said:
Those onions you chopped --- figment of your imagination.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Great movie...
Bluekingfisher
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D_W":7ngzgsyw said:
At the risk of becoming a bore or opening up old wounds, I have another query, which does in fact relate to plane irons.
I attended the European WW show at Cressing Temple at the weekend, I had the great pleasure to chat, albeit briefly with David Charlesworth, what a very helpful and down to earth chap. I'm sure he must be asked dozens of silly questions over the weekend, however he answered my silly questions without the slightest hint of a snigger or :roll: .
He even let me loose with his everyday user plane on a Sycamore board, what struck me as unusual was it was Stanley 5 1/2 jack, which he has set up as a smoothing plane. I don't know why I found this unusual, perhaps I was expecting to see him with top of the line tool. Apart from it being well fettled the only other difference from the stock tool, at least as far as I could tell was his choice of cutting iron and cap iron. Ok, you want to know what his set up is, I don't suppose I will be in contravention of the official secrets act so, he has a Lie Nielsen cap iron with a Ron Hock A2 iron. I asked him why the A2 and not the 01 steel version. His response was, as he primarily uses hardwoods the A2 iron ensures longevity between sharpening without compromise on the sharpness. fair enough I thought.
Despite Ron Hock being sited on the stand next to David I didn't get the chance to speak with him on the merits and advantages of his irons. It was near the end of play and SWMBO was pining for a glass of pinot grigio (mental note to self, next time......go on my own).
David
If you're trying to take the largest number of feet of shavings at a thin setting, then A2 does last longer. Maybe something on the order of 1500 feet or more of planing at 2 thousandths.
It's probably something folks might favor if they like those thin shavings and don't have the need to take thicker ones.
The advantage of the replacement irons starts to wane when you take only one or two final thin shavings, but many other thicker than that. I get the sense on the internet that the bulk of people sharpen with a guide and take a lot of smoother shavings, but not too much else.
Well, except for the fact that they're usually in pretty good shape new - so if your old iron is very pitted, they may be a labor saver.
The best carbon steel irons will last about as long in the cut in practice, but they are probably no cheaper (if you can find NOS eskilstuna made irons, or the japanese very hard carbon steel type).
David is a nice guy, class fellow. First time I ever sharpened a plane iron was after watching his original video. It provided the benefit of never having to try to use a dull tool.
It's probably something folks might favor if they like those thin shavings and don't have the need to take thicker ones.
The advantage of the replacement irons starts to wane when you take only one or two final thin shavings, but many other thicker than that. I get the sense on the internet that the bulk of people sharpen with a guide and take a lot of smoother shavings, but not too much else.
Well, except for the fact that they're usually in pretty good shape new - so if your old iron is very pitted, they may be a labor saver.
The best carbon steel irons will last about as long in the cut in practice, but they are probably no cheaper (if you can find NOS eskilstuna made irons, or the japanese very hard carbon steel type).
David is a nice guy, class fellow. First time I ever sharpened a plane iron was after watching his original video. It provided the benefit of never having to try to use a dull tool.
Bluekingfisher
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Surely then having this particular iron in a smoothing plane is beneficial? afterall, it is intended to take a few shavings at or near the completion of a job where the reliability of the wafer thin shaving you speak of is required.
One of the other snippets he relayed to me was, he does very little in the way of heavy stock preperation/removal by hand, rather the bulk of this work undertaken by machine. I would then assume he perhaps has no need for planes set up to remove lots of material?? (I didn't ask him that, just my assumption)
I would then accept that removing a lot of stock is not requiring of a specialty blade and the original vintage steel irons are more than up to the task.
David
One of the other snippets he relayed to me was, he does very little in the way of heavy stock preperation/removal by hand, rather the bulk of this work undertaken by machine. I would then assume he perhaps has no need for planes set up to remove lots of material?? (I didn't ask him that, just my assumption)
I would then accept that removing a lot of stock is not requiring of a specialty blade and the original vintage steel irons are more than up to the task.
David
Bluekingfisher
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Even on straight grained timbers?
David
David
Bluekingfisher
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Even on straight grained timbers?
David
David
Bluekingfisher":su8ph2ht said:
Yeah, nothing requires any specialty blade. The vintage ones work quite well, but the market is beginners and apparently beginners have a problem with sharpening quickly (understandable).
I used to be in that category, and I liked the irons that worked a long time. Blades run out of clearance faster on a thin shaving than a thicker one.
I don't think most of the instructors do much bulk dimensioning by hand, even the ones who pose as more old school (and David is not one of those people who extols the virtue of the satisfaction of using hand tools to turn around then and run everything through the machine planer - he's forthright about that).
mouppe":2dr041y1 said:
That's an interesting thing that I think is also a modern incantation with gentleman's planes. I've never seen an older plane with a toothing iron with relatively large teeth needed for heavy work. The toothing irons are generally installed close to 90 degrees in a veneer plane.
Phil Pascoe
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Incarnation?
Bluekingfisher
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D_W":o0mhrwc2 said:phil.p":o0mhrwc2 said:Incarnation?
Yeah, that. Remember, it's not actually English that we speak over here in the states. :shock:
Except the pretentious folks.
You just make up the words as you go along then
Cheshirechappie
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Bluekingfisher":10pva40z said:D_W":10pva40z said:phil.p":10pva40z said:Incarnation?
Yeah, that. Remember, it's not actually English that we speak over here in the states. :shock:
Except the pretentious folks.
You just make up the words as you go along then
Da yoof do that in Britain too, innit.
