Microsoft extends security fixes for Windows XP to 2015

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Looks like I will be ok, until 2015 then. =D> I don’t want to try and learn a new system, as I am not at all computer savvy, plus I am too long in the tooth, to learn new tricks.

I have had XP Media version, since it was introduced and still trying to learn how to use it . #-o
My XP for dummies book is ready to fall apart.

The media bit only worked for approx three years, if I try to use it now the whole system crashes. Switch off at wall socket, loose all photo files, then start again, so I stay well away from the media bit. :shock:

Take care.

Chris R.
 
Myfordman":19dqg7jk said:
Devastating news!

I've been longing for the time that they would stop messing about with XP and I can have a stable system
Just because updates are available, doesn't mean you have to install them. ;)
 
ChrisR":1dhzoevv said:
Looks like I will be ok, until 2015 then. =D> I don’t want to try and learn a new system, as I am not at all computer savvy, plus I am too long in the tooth, to learn new tricks.

I have had XP Media version, since it was introduced and still trying to learn how to use it . #-o
My XP for dummies book is ready to fall apart.

The media bit only worked for approx three years, if I try to use it now the whole system crashes. Switch off at wall socket, loose all photo files, then start again, so I stay well away from the media bit. :shock:

Take care.

Chris R.
I thought that as i hate change. However Win 7 is so easy to use. In fact after just a few days of using Win 7 and went to use XP on my 2nd pc, i found it harder to use XP than Win 7. :shock:
 
carlb40":lq0by08t said:
I thought that as i hate change. However Win 7 is so easy to use. In fact after just a few days of using Win 7 and went to use XP on my 2nd pc, i found it harder to use XP than Win 7. :shock:

I agree. Don't go to 8 though - You'll be utterly confused, believe me!! (Unless you are under 16!!!!)
 
I find Win 8.1 is fine for an old school user like me as long as I use it in Desktop Mode.
win8.1.jpg


Win 7 on steroids, with the option to go Icon and App. driven at the click of the mouse if required.
A bit of a change in File Explorer handling but easy to take on board.

I have some niggles when using some Apps, that insist on taking up too much screen real estate on PC.
Understandable on a tablet but a waste of space on a larger PC screen. But that's a problem with the App. coder not win 8.

Original Win 8 was a no go for me, just could not use it without digging deep and doing a lot of local work arounds to suit the way I wished to work.
 

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[This is MY opinion, not that of the mods. Mods: if you feel uncomfortable please delete this - I wouldn't want anyone sued!]

To some of the earlier posters: bluntly, you're daft if you use XP connected to the internet and don't install the updates. Microsoft don't do them just to give programmers mental exercise.

And it affects all of us if YOU don't keep your system fully patched. If you are subsequently the victim of cyber crime, we all pay for the clean-up costs. If your machine becomes part of a "botnet", you will be indirectly be responsible for others suffering the same fate.

Personally, I hate Microsoft products. In the 1980s I watched MS change from a keen, competitive company into a behemoth that had a very lucrative monopoly. IMHO it's worldview hasn't much changed since those days. If it could still be the bullying, arrogant outfit it was in the 1990s, it most certainly would be.

I have a long, long list of Windows annoyances* found at many different levels within it, and I would stop using it immediately if I could. That is impractical for the time being. One of the biggest issues is that Windows networking (by which I mean LAN Manager originally), and its multi-user functionality, started off with what many consider to be a flawed security model. It's different from UNIX-based systems, including Mac OS, iOs, Linux and Android, and requires a VERY good knowledge of the security side of the thing to be able to lock it down properly.

I remember sitting in training courses in the early 1990s, alongside UNIX and Novell experts doing "LAN Manager conversion", whilst a Microsoft trainer tried to (a) explain the inexplicable, and (b) justify the architecture to an outright hostile audience! We all thought, "They'll revise that - they'll have to." But they never really did.

Most Windows XP systems run with the logged-in user having Administrator privileges, meaning any breach of their security exposes the whole machine. You can alter this, but that's how it's shipped, and still how most people use it. Basically, you have to restrict users under MS, but you grant rights under everything else. If an attacker penetrates a domestic Windows XP machine they often have access to everything. If they penetrate a normal Linux account, they usually have access to almost nothing important beyond that specific account - the damage is contained.

Computers aren't toys. Nowadays they're ever more intimately linked with our daily lives, and a security breach is catastrophic for individuals and even capable of destroying large companies. The breaches we see in big outfits are usually the result of mistakes in programming custom-built applications, or human factors such as corrupting a knowledgeable individual so as to gain access, or requiring inadequate proof of user identity. In other words the weaknesses come from how the systems are used. Rarely are they through weaknesses in the underlying operating systems, Linux being the preferred choice, with a well understood security model.

The huge advantage of open source, too, is that there is no commercial incentive to hide flaws that are detected. On the contrary, kudos goes to whoever comes up with the best fix fastest. When software is proprietary and a flaw is found, there is ALWAYS a discussion about admitting the problem and fixing it, versus leaving it be and handling each incident as it arises. It might be reputation or simply programming resource allocation ("if they're busy mending that, they can't be developing this!"), but the debate always happens at some level in the outfit.

It's remarkable, after all this time, that MS are STILL having to release patches to XP. IMHO, it tells me all I might ever need to know about the security of the original product. But...

... If you use it, it doesn't change the fact that you ARE vulnerable if you don't patch it when MS say you should.

Stay safe out there.

E.

*O'Reilly published a string of books with that title. They always used to use line drawings of appropriate animals on the covers of their technical series. The drawing for that book was of the Warty Toad.
 
Eric.

Wow, now you have really put the s***s up me :shock: , I assumed that XP updates were automatically down loaded, as very often when going to close down my computer, I get a message (do not switch off, Microsoft is downloading updates and your computer will close down when updates are complete), that may not be the exact wording, but close.

I take from what you are saying, that all the thousands of silver suffering old gits out there like me, who are not at all computer savvy, and have no idea what updates we have and who just use our computers as a form of recreation and visit various sites for information are in grave danger or a least our computers are. [-o<

I very often get messages pop up that xyz file has been corrupted or cannot be read, as I don’t have a clue what xyz file is or does I just close the message and hope for the best. The one message I get probably three or four time a week that really puzzles me is one for updates to my Apple system, why that should be sent to a XP operating system really does confuse me. #-o

Chris R.
 
FWIW

I have three laptops still on XP but for a very good reason. They have diagnositic and programming software on them that will not run on anything newer (Siemens, Alan Bradley, Rockwell, etc) and two of them also have serial ports (which Vista, 7 or 8 do not support). However, none of these have been connected to the internet for at least four years. If they are not connected, they don't need security updates. Any software updates I do need I will download through my Win 7 laptop onto a USB stick and transfer across that way.
 
ChrisR":2gfutr7e said:
Eric.

Wow, now you have really put the s***s up me :shock: , I assumed that XP updates were automatically down loaded, as very often when going to close down my computer, I get a message (do not switch off, Microsoft is downloading updates and your computer will close down when updates are complete), that may not be the exact wording, but close.


To find out, go onto your control panel and click "Windows Update". This screen should then tell you if updates are switched on to automatic mode. The shield icon will be green if they are :) HTH
 
I forgot something VERY important: the BBC report I've read of this story is WRONG in one VERY significant detail:

Microsoft are NOT going to patch XP after the April 2014 deadline. All they will do is update the malware/virus detection for their anti-virus add-on for XP, called Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE). Their Technet blog entry (definitive) is here.

Microsoft have NOT said they will continue to release patches for XP bugs nor for security holes beyond the April 2014 deadline. This is all you will get after 8th April 2014, IF you have MSE installed:

  • If you get a virus/malware problem, and MSE spots it, it will tell you.
  • (I assume that) if you have system restore points and regular backups, it will disinfect and let you rebuild. Caveat: I don't presently use MSE: I can't tell you exactly how it works.
  • Any systemic holes will remain open, although repeat attempts at exploits may well be spotted.

MSE is free for XP and is still downloadable from the Microsoft site until the April 2014 cutoff date. It has a Wikipedia entry that, although evidently not impartial, reveals a bit more than the download page does. The Wiki entry is well out-of-date, but note the mention at the bottom of malware that impersonates the genuine MSE - one could guess that this will be a popular exploit after April 2014, along the lines of, "you can still download MSE here" Which, of course, you won't be able to do!

What a bloomin mess, however it's solved my problem of what to write about for this month's company blog! Every cloud, etc.

E.

PS: skimming the WIkipedia entry, the reason that MSE wasn't included in XP, Vista and Win7 was the threat of an anti-trust (anti-monopoly) lawsuit by the anti-virus industry players, along the lines of the anti Internet Explorer browser thing. Microsoft decided to un-/not bundle it to avoid controversy. Damned either way?
 
MMUK":gei3923p said:
two of them also have serial ports (which Vista, 7 or 8 do not support).

While I'm sure the software isn't supported. I'm quite sure that Vista (which is just XP with a slightly different GUI), 7 & 8 all support serial ports.
 
morfa":3av62gs8 said:
MMUK":3av62gs8 said:
two of them also have serial ports (which Vista, 7 or 8 do not support).

While I'm sure the software isn't supported. I'm quite sure that Vista (which is just XP with a slightly different GUI), 7 & 8 all support serial ports.

What eee said.

Additionally, USB is a serial port, albeit a pretty quick one.

I have several cheap RS232-to-USB conversion cables. I'd have to check*, but I'm pretty certain the protocol converter (the driver in essence) runs on Win 7, and probably on Win 8 too. Mine definitely work, as I'm running my old Wacom tablet on one as I type (instead of a mouse). All tablet functions work just fine (yup, it's XP though!).

Have a look on eBay.

E.

*that means finding the CD, and this is 'tidy the study' week/month/year, so resently I can't find desks, chairs, or any paperwork of any sort. Actually finding a CD would be borderline miraculous...
 
I've tried several different rs232 and rs485 to usb adapters and none have worked reliably. A mate of mine is a Microsoft engineer. He predicted the issue I have before Windows 7 was released. And Vista is not built on xp, it's a completely different animal.
 
I switched to Linux about 5-6 years ago. Both mine and my wife's computer plus the "spare" one. never had a system crash or freeze since then. the mint version has a front end just like win xp, except it all works and quickly. as a plus, Linux is free. I would still use Linux if it was the price of windows and windows was free. It auto updates, and is linked to some manufacturers websites (eg epson) so will update drives as well if you change or add another printer for example.
 
I would have thought that cyber criminals target the masses and so Xp, with it being so out of date, would be relatively safe.
I'm sure this is one of the reasons that Apple were virus free for so long.
It's not the case now as it has become popular.

I could be wrong but it seems logical to me.
 
:shock: Now I am completely :?

I think its time to call my man that can, because I can’t.



Chris R. #-o
 
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