Meaningful debate

[bugbear]

Jacob I strongly suggest you apologise to Chas!

What for?

In the interests of meaningful grown up debate (I wouldn't bother otherwise!) can I explain that not believing a tale that someone relates is not the same as accusing them of being a liar. It is merely suggesting that they may be misinformed. I could be wrong - but so far I still don't believe it.

Interesting.

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BugBear

 

[Fat ferret]

Come on chaps the whole idea of forums is one poster says something and the other decides how useful it is and weather they agree or not. You can't get cross because someone you in all likelihood will never meet says he doesn't believe what you say, why should you care? Makes no difference to you what they believe right?

Re the babies had for the express reason of claiming benefits. Some people just want children because they think that having children is what life's all about.

Regarding people who don't work it is the same as large companies not paying taxes, why would they if they don't have to? The government should legislate against. If there's a way out some will take it. When it comes to people who say why work if you don't have to well I don't actually know many like that. I do know plenty who work in low paid jobs because they think you should work and it bring independence and self respect which claiming benefits doesn't.

Speaking of work I had better get on with painting doors .

 

[Baldhead]

Rafezetter mentioned spaying, which of course extreme or at least tongue in cheek, but I see no reason why a contraceptive implant shouldn't be a condition of benefit payment. It's not their breeding hat annoys me, it's my paying for it.

Phil I have disagreed to several things you have said in this debate, and I think I have put up a good argument to oppose your comments, but I have to say, forcing contraception on people takes the biscuit, there have been people in history who (fortunately they were defeated) wanted perfection, if people were not perfect they were got rid of, your beliefs I could never agree with, simply because I am not blonde and I don't have blue eyes.

Any man who would see a child suffer through no fault of their own doesn't deserve to draw breath, unfortunately that is exactly what some people are saying, I hope I sound angry, because I am.

I had hoped to have a meaningful discussion, unfortunately it was not to be, there have been digs at not only other members of this site, but also of deceased trade unionsts who have no bearing whatsoever on benefit sanctions.

I dislike the fact that there is a minority who claim benefits and would never contemplate working, that minority tarnish the majority of genuine benefit claiments, as I have already said, we only see or choose to see the bad side of society, gutter TV programs such as Benefit Street distort the truth, if we can't see beyond that then we are only fooling ourselves.

Stew

Mod-edit. The meaningful aspect has somewhat disappeared. Nice symmetry Stew being the OP and posting the final post : ) With that bombshell it's goodnight.

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

Right guys. I'm just off to the nippers school to see the end of term play after which point I'm locking this thread. Like a self fulfilling prophecy, it has proven beyond reasonable doubt that religion and politics are out of bounds because they incite the worst of people. Folks feel inclined to defend their belief systems and it gets nasty and/or personal.

I hope you all now agree (those reasonable amongst you at least) that the rules viz-a-viz religion and politics have a sound basis. I'm sure some of you don't and when/if you're invited to moderate something you can exercise your right to decide. Until then, people with a "moderate" perspective will continue to implement the rules as we interpret them.

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

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