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[maltrout512]

You can't live without cash/coins not being in circulation. This is the one thing that has been in use for the past 3,000 ish plus years and during that time some have tried other systems (peasants revolt as one) which all have seemed not to have worked. I don't like how some of the changes are creeping in. But I do know it will not 1. be the same and 2. We will have less money in ower pockets....

 

[Lincolnshirebodger]

You can't live without cash/coins not being in circulation. This is the one thing that has been in use for the past 3,000 ish plus years and during that time some have tried other systems (peasants revolt as one) which all have seemed not to have worked. I don't like how some of the changes are creeping in. But I do know it will not 1. be the same and 2. We will have less money in ower pockets....

Theres less and less places you can spend change. Society is switching to everything being online, and there more than t hat to come - brain chips will connect you directly to the net. We are well on the way to paying for everything via an electronic transaction, which will be an electronic thought action in 25 years time. Banks will start to limit the loose change they take - they already do that. Furthermore, inflation will reduce the value of coins, and they will be replaced with paper money then be merged into plastic transactions. I predict metal coinage will be gone within 30 years.

If you think Im wrong, then think on this: Various people, some eminent scientists, have made various predictions, and they have all been wrong. It was predicted before the invention of the motor car that by 1920 New York would be 3 feet deep in horse poo because of the increase in the number of horses; one guy predicted it would be impossible to travel faster than 60 miles an hour because the air would be moving so fast you wouldn't be able to breathe. Then again, lots of todays science fiction frequently becomes tomorrows science fact - you only have to watch episodes of Star Trek or read DC Comics Superman to see stuff that now a reality- look the Star Trek Communicator - or as we call it, the mobile phone.

Tomorrow is not only stranger than you can imagine, its stranger than you CAN imagine.

As I said, google 'technological singularity' if you want a glimpse of the future.

 

[TonyW]

As I said, google 'technological singularity' if you want a glimpse of the future.

If you are referring to "The technological singularity is a theoretical future point of unprecedented technological progress, caused in part by the ability of machines to improve themselves using artificial intelligence."(Wikipedia source of quote)

I would suggest that this should read "if you want a glimpse of a possible future"

To me the last statement does not "compute" as you also stated "Various people, some eminent scientists, have made various predictions, and they have all been wrong"

 

[gatesmr2]

Ok so what we are really saying is machines building there replacements making them better and also "AI"

Only one thing i would like to ask then :?:

Does anyone know where Sarah or John Connor lives :shock:

Ok sorry bad joke i'll go back to my corner

Martin

 

[Rich]

Ok so what we are really saying is machines building there replacements making them better and also "AI"

Only one thing i would like to ask then :?:

Does anyone know where Sarah or John Connor lives :shock:

Ok sorry bad joke i'll go back to my corner

Martin

Hollywood :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rich.

 

[Lincolnshirebodger]

As I said, google 'technological singularity' if you want a glimpse of the future.

If you are referring to "The technological singularity is a theoretical future point of unprecedented technological progress, caused in part by the ability of machines to improve themselves using artificial intelligence."(Wikipedia source of quote)

I would suggest that this should read "if you want a glimpse of a possible future"

To me the last statement does not "compute" as you also stated "Various people, some eminent scientists, have made various predictions, and they have all been wrong"

Well, there is no reason to think the Technological Singularity wont happen. In fact all the evidence suggests it will - the rate of technological advancement is provably increasing, and its simply an argument about whether AI will bring on the TS, or vice versa. When Vernor Vinge, Department of Mathematical Sciences, San Diego State University wrote

Within thirty years, we will have the technological means to create superhuman intelligence. Shortly after, the human era will be ended.

hes not alone in this thought process.
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge ... arity.html



Just look at the world in the last 100 years. We've made more advances in all fields of science than in the previous 2000. Take medicine - current opinion in medicine is that we know know enough about cloning body parts, genetics and the aging process that the first person who is going to live to be 500 years old has already been born, and the first immortal human will be born in the next 50 years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/ ... age2.shtml

Look at the advancements in cybernetics. The japanese are building robots that are so lifelike in there appearance and the way they react to humans its scary. The advancements in microelectronics and nanotechnology means we are on the brink of molecular transistors, which means we will within 5 years build computer processing cores with the same parallel processing power as a brain - in fact, in effect, an artificial brain.
http://www.andcorporation.com/

Theres an amazing bipedal robot in Japan that has learned to walk all by itself - and I mean its a smooth as a human walk, and it can run (ie both feet monetarily leave the ground). No one programmed it, the AI worked it out, learned, like a baby does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASIMO

My last comment was slightly crossed!! The point I was making was that whenever a scientist announces something is impossible, or something disastrous will happen, hes generally wrong. The people who tend to be right, are the blue sky writers and thinkers.

 

[devonwoody]

Well you lot wont be able to do any banking on line if you download anymore pirated music, films, you tube videos.
Your provider said the other week it will refuse you conection to the web :wink:

And if havent got any bank paper work so you dont know your bank balance, account number etc. and anyway it was an internet account and they wont discuss your account only via the web.

So keep some paper accounts, just in case your children download some more music.

 

[Lincolnshirebodger]

Well you lot wont be able to do any banking on line if you download anymore pirated music, films, you tube videos.
Your provider said the other week it will refuse you conection to the web :wink:

Theres some very simple way to avoid being tracked by the government and the ISP.....PM me and ill explain...........

 

[Gower]

I may be pushing my luck but I have used internet banking for at least 12 years, firstly in business and in retirement since. What a boon it has been. Because I check my accounts daily, I have been able to spot several attempted frauds over the years and been able to act quickly. I have been trying to get a close relative to go online but she has all the usual hangups until last week when reading her bank statement (later than usual because of a move) and discovered an item for £4500.00 credited to the account of another bank. Because of Data Protection she is unable (quickly) to verify to whom the amount was paid. All this at least 6 weeks after the fact. She is now keen to have a go at online banking!

Gower (with fingers crossed) :lol:

 

[devonwoody]

One of my elderly neighbours hasn't been able to get on line for weeks she said the other day, mmmmmh she wants another visit.

No some of the elderly cannot cope with the internet etc. and will come to many of us as well as age takes it toll.

 

[devonwoody]

email banking , forget it.

I havent had an email in for 24 hours, the system is still up the creek, so if you have gone electonic you would be out of funds now for 24 hours.

 

[Smudger]

First of all, just because you can't access it doesn't mean that your money disappears. There have been lots of 24 hour periods when I've been unable to get to a bank. My money didn't evaporate, it was having kids that caused that.

But more importantly, you don't access your bank account by email, you do it through your browser, which is clearly working.

 

[filsgreen]

I may be pushing my luck but I have used internet banking for at least 12 years, firstly in business and in retirement since. What a boon it has been. Because I check my accounts daily, I have been able to spot several attempted frauds over the years and been able to act quickly. I have been trying to get a close relative to go online but she has all the usual hangups until last week when reading her bank statement (later than usual because of a move) and discovered an item for £4500.00 credited to the account of another bank. Because of Data Protection she is unable (quickly) to verify to whom the amount was paid. All this at least 6 weeks after the fact. She is now keen to have a go at online banking!

Gower (with fingers crossed) :lol:

I agree with Gower. I have been online with TSB for over five years and had no trouble at all. I check it daily and can switch amounts from different accounts, best thing since sliced bread IMO.

Phil

 

[RogerS]

I may be pushing my luck but I have used internet banking for at least 12 years, firstly in business and in retirement since. What a boon it has been. Because I check my accounts daily, I have been able to spot several attempted frauds over the years and been able to act quickly. I have been trying to get a close relative to go online but she has all the usual hangups until last week when reading her bank statement (later than usual because of a move) and discovered an item for £4500.00 credited to the account of another bank. Because of Data Protection she is unable (quickly) to verify to whom the amount was paid. All this at least 6 weeks after the fact. She is now keen to have a go at online banking!

Gower (with fingers crossed) :lol:

I agree with Gower. I have been online with TSB for over five years and had no trouble at all. I check it daily and can switch amounts from different accounts, best thing since sliced bread IMO.

Phil

Ditto for me. My bank is internet only. Works very well.

 

[devonwoody]

True Smudger, but remember the government and civil service now have a position in the banking world and civil servants take discs home, corrupt them with viruses and lose discs.

So I'm sticking with a piece of paper that was correct the last time I looked at it.

 

[RogerS]

True Smudger, but remember the government and civil service now have a position in the banking world and civil servants take discs home, corrupt them with viruses and lose discs.
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dw...you stand about as much chance of walking to the moon as you do your bank's systems being infiltrated as a result of someone losing a CD.

 

[TonyW]

Lincolnshirebodger, You have made many statements based on your belief and understanding of several topics. You also seem to be suggesting that the majority of your statements are fact.
Unfortunately you have not provided your reference sources of evidence to support these facts. Without this evidence how can you expect anyone to make a valid comment ?

I am sure you are genuine in your desire to get these ideas across and may even be keen to further debate them.

If this is the case and as this thread seems to be drifting off topic perhaps it would be a good idea for you to start a new thread (maybe copying and pasting all that you have written here) and await the feedback

Cheers
Tony

 

[StevieB]

Just look at the world in the last 100 years. We've made more advances in all fields of science than in the previous 2000.

Not terribly surprising - we have expanded in every field, be it transport, communications, food production, wildlife conservation etc etc. Most of this is down to becoming a global community and the rapid exchange of ideas, and advances in technology including telecommunications.

Take medicine - current opinion in medicine is that we know know enough about cloning body parts, genetics and the aging process that the first person who is going to live to be 500 years old has already been born, and the first immortal human will be born in the next 50 years.

Speaking as a geneticist, I think you will find this is a less than prevailing view in the scientific community. Given that your soure is cbs news rather than a peer reviewed scientific journal I am somewhat sceptical. We have only known the structure of DNA since the 1950's, we know very little about cloning whole embryos yet, let alone specific body parts. As to living to 500, your body is simply not built for that lifespan. In fact your body is biologically programmed to live until reproductive age and pass on its genome. Living until 80, 90, 100 years is the product of modern medicine and science rather than any ability the body has intrinsically. Immortality is just plain fantasy. The problem with living older is that the added years are at the end of your life, not where they would be useful. Who wants to go through 400 years as a pensioner? :roll: I am afraid these ideas are far closer to science fiction than science fact.

Steve.

 

[Smudger]

True Smudger, but remember the government and civil service now have a position in the banking world and civil servants take discs home, corrupt them with viruses and lose discs.

So I'm sticking with a piece of paper that was correct the last time I looked at it.

OK.

So - oh, I can't even think of how that scenario might work...

But please read what other people are telling you.

 

[Sawdust]

True Smudger, but remember the government and civil service now have a position in the banking world and civil servants take discs home, corrupt them with viruses and lose discs.

So I'm sticking with a piece of paper that was correct the last time I looked at it.

Where do you think that piece of paper comes from?

Yep - one of those disks!

Are you suggesting that internet banking is a problem or that storing bank details on a computer anywhere is wrong. If so you might want to think about keeping your money in a box under your bed.

You're cutting off your nose to spite your face - still it's your face :wink: