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OK. I surrender (but I am not having an internet bank account)

I will await the complete breakdown of the internet and somehow I will then try and say I told you so. :) :wink:

BTW 36 hours now without an email notifaction originating in the UK
 
TonyW":3j34aal8 said:
Lincolnshirebodger, You have made many statements based on your belief and understanding of several topics. You also seem to be suggesting that the majority of your statements are fact.
Unfortunately you have not provided your reference sources of evidence to support these facts. Without this evidence how can you expect anyone to make a valid comment ?

Tony

Umm did you miss the following links in my last post?

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge ... arity.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/ ... age2.shtml

http://www.andcorporation.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASIMO
 
StevieB":2vd3hkw7 said:
Just look at the world in the last 100 years. We've made more advances in all fields of science than in the previous 2000.

Not terribly surprising - we have expanded in every field, be it transport, communications, food production, wildlife conservation etc etc. Most of this is down to becoming a global community and the rapid exchange of ideas, and advances in technology including telecommunications.


Take medicine - current opinion in medicine is that we know know enough about cloning body parts, genetics and the aging process that the first person who is going to live to be 500 years old has already been born, and the first immortal human will be born in the next 50 years.

Speaking as a geneticist, I think you will find this is a less than prevailing view in the scientific community. Given that your soure is cbs news rather than a peer reviewed scientific journal I am somewhat sceptical. We have only known the structure of DNA since the 1950's, we know very little about cloning whole embryos yet, let alone specific body parts. As to living to 500, your body is simply not built for that lifespan. In fact your body is biologically programmed to live until reproductive age and pass on its genome. Living until 80, 90, 100 years is the product of modern medicine and science rather than any ability the body has intrinsically. Immortality is just plain fantasy. The problem with living older is that the added years are at the end of your life, not where they would be useful. Who wants to go through 400 years as a pensioner? :roll: I am afraid these ideas are far closer to science fiction than science fact.

Steve.

umm try ploughing thru THIS site, its has hundreds of books and papers from eminent scientists supporting the view

http://longevity-science.org/

Like i said, when someone says something is impossible, history shows they are generally wrong. On the other hand, a lot of science fiction is now science fact.

I dont come her to convert people, i just point out the obvious and where to find out more, its up to you whether you go enlighten yourself or you prefer to walk round eyes closed!!!
 
umm try ploughing thru THIS site, its has hundreds of books and papers from eminent scientists supporting the view

http://longevity-science.org/

Well, lots of self referenced papers form the authors of the site anyway. Not quite the same thing. Most are monographs and none are from respected journals. I cannot find a paper relating to immortality as a scientific fact from a search of the site I am afraid.

I dont come her to convert people, i just point out the obvious and where to find out more, its up to you whether you go enlighten yourself or you prefer to walk round eyes closed!!!

I am going to choose to believe that you didnt mean that as an insult. Believing everything you read, or believing what you choose, should be based on a rational weighing of the evidence for or against that belief. Just because it is written on the web neither makes it true nor false. Choosing not to believe something should not imply that you have not weighed the evidence and chosen to discard it - that is different to treating contrary evidence to your belief as an eyes closed approach.

Steve
 
An infinitely gullible person would have an infinitely open mind.
 
Lincolnshirebodger":3613smsm said:
Umm did you miss the following links in my last post?
Ermm...did you miss my comments that the subject matter you covered deserved it own post?

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge ... arity.html
This is not evidence it is one mans view of possibilities, you can either agree or disagree with the sentiments but it still remains purely an opinion however eminent the man (I believe he is taking 250 pills a day so that he can see the the singularity occur when he is 97!)

Another view is
The Singularity is an illusion that will be constantly retreating -- always "near" but never arriving. We'll wonder why it never came after we got AI. Then one day in the future, we'll realize it already happened. The super AI came, and all the things we thought it would bring instantly -- personal nanotechnology, brain upgrades, immortality -- did not come. Instead other benefits accrued, which we did not anticipate, and took long to appreciate. Since we did not see them coming, we look back and say, yes, that was the Singularity.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/ ... age2.shtml
This again is not evidence - One Scientist Says It May Be Possible One Day to live to 500. Seems a little more balanced though as there is someone else disagreeing.

http://www.andcorporation.com/
A commercial operation! - now call me cynical but......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASIMO
A great triumph for the Honda motor company. Hopefully the mechanics used in this may have some better use such as helping those who can't walk and run?
Strange as it may seem I am not necessarily opposed to at least some of your views. However it does seem to me that you are promoting what you believe after some research to be an irrefutable fact. I assume therefore you have dismissed the views of other "eminent" scientist and lay people as rubbish as it does not fit in with your model of the future?

And I still think that this subject should be moved to its own thread :D
 
well whatever.........im not about to fall out with anyone about it. Everyone to there own beliefs, I say. But dont say you wernt warned when then singularity hits around 2045 - 2070...... :wink:
 
I would think that immortality would result in several million committing suicide each year, and spousal murders likewise.
Wonder what the retirement age would be?

Roy.
 
RogerS":22ev4m5w said:
Nostradamus..he say...........

Actually, St Malachy was more interesting that Nostradamus, because his predictions are much less able to be 'interpreted' or bent to fit someones favorite theory.

In the 10th century he simply produced a list of all the Popes that would ever live. The last pope on his list woudl oversee the destruction of the church of rome. His list so far has been 100% accurate.

According to his list, we are now on the penultimate pope, that is to say, after this one, will be the last pope, whom Malachy calls Peter the Roman. bearing in mind the average reign of a pope is 12 years, we should see what happens in the end in about 22 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
 
Lincolnshirebodger":3g5f46ag said:
RogerS":3g5f46ag said:
Nostradamus..he say...........

Actually, St Malachy was more interesting that Nostradamus, because his predictions are much less able to be 'interpreted' or bent to fit someones favorite theory.

In the 10th century he simply produced a list of all the Popes that would ever live. The last pope on his list woudl oversee the destruction of the church of rome. His list so far has been 100% accurate.

According to his list, we are now on the penultimate pope, that is to say, after this one, will be the last pope, whom Malachy calls Peter the Roman. bearing in mind the average reign of a pope is 12 years, we should see what happens in the end in about 22 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

I've read the Wiki, and it's pretty clear that the 'prophecy' is a fake. Like they all are.
 
Smudger":2bnd8467 said:
Lincolnshirebodger":2bnd8467 said:
RogerS":2bnd8467 said:
Nostradamus..he say...........

Actually, St Malachy was more interesting that Nostradamus, because his predictions are much less able to be 'interpreted' or bent to fit someones favorite theory.

In the 10th century he simply produced a list of all the Popes that would ever live. The last pope on his list woudl oversee the destruction of the church of rome. His list so far has been 100% accurate.

According to his list, we are now on the penultimate pope, that is to say, after this one, will be the last pope, whom Malachy calls Peter the Roman. bearing in mind the average reign of a pope is 12 years, we should see what happens in the end in about 22 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

I've read the Wiki, and it's pretty clear that the 'prophecy' is a fake. Like they all are.

In what way is it a fake. Expand on this allegation.

Are your meds wearing off tonight or something ?
 
Don't be insulting. Or I'll tell you what I really think about people who spread this sort of nonsense.

READ the Wiki article. It is very clear - the documents are fake, and the 'predictions' (which are only predictions after the forgery was made c1590) are very tendentious.
 
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Smudger":20l10tal said:
I don't have the faintest idea what you are on about. But I am fed up with your knocking.

*watches meme zoom over smudgers head and go PLOP against the wall*
 
Smudger":1prubvb8 said:
I've looked it up. It's from some computer game.

Not exactly over my head, cully.

close, but no cigar, trying googling MEME instead.........

Zerg rush, anyone ?


lol
 
I know what a meme is, and that isn't one...
A meme is an idea which has entered the general zeitgeist by learning.

Just an example of taking a trendy name and applying it wherever you think you can pretend to be literate and highly educated. I bet you think you can impress a woodworking forum like that, don't you?
 
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