Liogier Hand Stiched Rasp - Pass Around

[promhandicam]

It is with me and I will pass it on tomorrow but haven't had a chance to use it yet as my mother is seriously ill in the John Radcliffe in Oxford and that has taken precedence. I hope to use it if only briefly tomorrow assuming things don't deteriorate again tonight.

Steve

 

[Liogier]

First things first. This is just a rasp. Take your time.

 

[Harbo]

Sorry to hear that Steve - hope everything goes well?

Rod

 

[jimi43]

Our thoughts are with you and your Mum Steve.

Jim

 

[promhandicam]

I've had a quick play with the rasp today and will post it on to John (Proshop) tomorrow morning.

Here briefly are my thoughts. The rasp is light to hold with a comfortable handle. It is quite fine and short and I think that for general woodworking Noël's suggestion of having this one and a coarser 10" 9 grain or perhaps a 12" 8 grain would be a good starting point.

I was quite surprised how thin the rasp was - 4.5mm according to the website and this means that the curve of the "half round" side is quite flat. Therefore if you want to work on tighter curves - making a saw handle for example, a half round rasp as opposed to the cabinet makers rasp might make more sense.

The other potential problem of having such a thin cross section - something you will be pleased to hear I haven't tested - is that the rasp may prove to be quite fragile. Perhaps when the rasp finally gets back to rod he would like to see if it withstands a fall from bench height onto a concrete floor or if you end up with two rasps!

In conclusion, when funds allow, I'll be placing an order - probably for a pair of half round rasps.

Bon weekend à toutes et tous !

Steve

 

[Liogier]

Talking about chosing the right cross-section for making a saw handle, I am precisely wondering about which section should I choose to make a concave rasp. Any inputs will be welcomed !

http://www.liogier-france.fr/concav-hand-cut-rasp?lang=en

PS : if this happens one day

if (...) a fall from bench height onto a concrete floor (...) you end up with two rasps (?)

I will consider to change job :wink:

 

[promhandicam]

Good to hear that the rasps are fairly indestructible - perhaps you can confirm this Rod?

Regarding the question of section for a concave rasp, I think that having a curved rasp as shown is maybe a bit too specialised for most woodworkers. I've made a couple of custom saw handles - one of them here and I just used a standard machine made rasp that required a quite a lot of work to clean the wood up afterwards as it was very coarse. My comment was that the pass around rasp wouldn't really be suitable for this sort of work which is perhaps the sort of one off project that many woodworkers might contemplate. I hope that makes sense.

Steve

 

[Harbo]

I have a saw handle makers rasp which I bought in the States.

The main curve roughly matches a 230mm radius.
It's 150mm long and 16mm wide

Here's a couple of handles I made using it:

Rod

 

[condeesteso]

First, 3 lovely saw handles indeed. But on the Liogier, shouldn't we focus on the performance of the rasp, given that they offer very many profiles and grains, both l and r hand anyway?
I rate it very highly, up with the more expensive Auriou. Along with Steve, I will be ordering v soon. 5 star plus from me.

 

[Harbo]

The rasp is now with Paul Chapman.

For anybody interested in purchasing any see the "Special Forum Offer" in the For Sale section.

Rod

 

[Harbo]

Pass - Around Latest:
(* Tried Out and passed on)

*Jimi43
*Condeesteso
*Promhandicam
*Proshop
Paul Chapman (with Paul at the moment)
Cutting42
Mike.C
Cambournepete
Wood master

Rod

 

[Paul Chapman]

I've just had a chance to try out the Liogier rasp. The Liogier is 11 grain and I compared it with my similarly sized Auriou which is 10 grain and a much smaller Auriou flat rasp, which is 13 grain. Unfortunately my camera is on the blink so I wasn't able to take any photos.

All three rasps performed exceptionally well. A good quality hand stitched rasp will remove material very quickly but in a controlled way. By varying the pressure on the rasp it's possible to work quickly but also to achieve a very smooth finish.

I found it very difficult to separate the Liogier and Auriou rasps in terms of performance. They are both superb and I would be very happy using either. They are, of course, quite expensive when compared with machine-made rasps but the difference in controllability and performance is well worth the extra cost in my view.

Many thanks for the opportunity to try out the rasp. I'll pass it on to Cutting42 ASAP.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[cutting42]

Just arrived, hope to have a play in the next couple of evenings, Thanks Paul

 

[Harbo]

Pass - Around Latest:

*Jimi43
*Condeesteso
*Promhandicam
*Proshop
*Paul Chapman
Cutting42 (with Gareth at the moment)
Mike.C
Cambournepete
Wood master
(* Tried Out and passed on)

10% Discount is still running.


Rod

 

[cutting42]

Hi All

I have had a chance to look at the Rasp this evening and it is quite a tool. My experience of rasps is minimal and confined to a very cheap set from B&Q that is considerably coarser than the Liogier. Nevertheless I will compare and contrast.

Some comparisons with the thug like B&Q special:

A lump of unsuspecting pine:

10 strokes of the B&Q with a fair bit of pressure

10 strokes of the Liogier with light pressure boy can you feel it cutting!

Rounding over B&Q

Rounding Over Liogier

More detail of the same

B&Q rounding over on a piece of Walnut

Liogier on same Walnut

The cutting power is amazing and far better than I would have thought just looking at the grain of the Liogier Rasp, the coarser rasps must be like a belt sander. As you can see the difference on the pine is huge with virtually no shredding of the fibers just a beautiful cutting action. The difference is less marked on the Walnut and harder to see in the picture but the smoothness is in a different league and would take hardly any sanding for final finishing.

I will certainly be ordering a couple of these and will pass onto Mike

 

[Jacob]

I've got some of those B&Q rasps - they work well and are good value.
Not sure who would need the pricey Liogier offerings. I suppose it would be carvers and other specialists whose main-stream work would make them worthwhile. At 50 times the price it'd have to be worth it!

 

[cutting42]

I've got some of those B&Q rasps - they work well and are good value.

Agreed, which is why I have them

Not sure who would need the pricey Liogier offerings. I suppose it would be carvers and other specialists whose main-stream work would make them worthwhile. At 50 times the price it'd have to be worth it!

Anyone with the requisite disposable income who values a quality tool. It is far superior in its action and will provide a better finish and much faster than the B&Q rasp. If you can spend the time sawing away with the B&Q rasp then you can bask in the savings you have made.

 

[cutting42]

Now posted to next on the list!

 

[promhandicam]

Not sure who would need the pricey Liogier offerings.

Someone who could appreciate their superior cutting ability maybe? Because they are hand made they are the free hand rounded bevel of the rasped world as opposed to something sharpened using jig! Or to use another analogy you might understand think gransfors as opposed to wickes when it comes to axes. BTW, next time you see rasps in B&Q for 80p can you let me know

 

[Mike.C]

Just received the rasp from Gareth (cutting42) this morning. I will have a play with it over the weekend and post it to Cambournepete on Monday.

Thanks Gareth

Cheers

Mike