Lie Nielsen, Chisel Handles

[barkwindjammer]

This I'd pay top dollar to see

 

[Scouse]

I have the A2 Lie-Nielsens, which I have been honing at 35 deg and chopping away in hardwoods without issue that I have noticed.

Me too; I don't really understand why so many people are having such a difficult time with them.

 

[Doug B]

In the interests of science, how about you, Brian, Doug and I convene at my workshop for a chisel-off,

I have a very old Mathieson socket chisel i could bring along, ironically the handle shows no signs of parting company with the socket :-"

I also have an Eagers of Derby, both chisels blades are cast, it would be interesting to compare old with new.

I`ll bring my steel toe cap boots, from the sounds of things i may well need them. :lol:


Cheers

 

[Jacob]

I have the A2 Lie-Nielsens, which I have been honing at 35 deg and chopping away in hardwoods without issue that I have noticed.

Me too; I don't really understand why so many people are having such a difficult time with them.

I don't have an problem with them either - perhaps because I haven't got any.
But they are expensive, heavily hyped and routinely complained about, in a way that other LN products aren't, even though they too are expensive and heavily hyped.
I don't have any prob with A2 either, on the two plane blades I have. One BU, one BD, both with planing angle about 50º, nearly a scrape. Both easy to grind (belt sander) and then hone (freehand).

Yes to a chisel-off, or perhaps just go straight to the pub?
How would you set up a comparative test? Easy for a mortice but less so for paring?

NB the ordinary so called OBM chisel should knock spots of the LN mortice chisels as the LNs have parallel sides - basically a design mistake (along with all the other LN chisel probs I presume :roll: )

 

[matthewwh]

As for "lazy sharpening techniques" that's fighting talk as well as being transparent nonsense..........
David Charlesworth

Misunderstanding: Lazy sharpening habits as in the common misconception that by selecting A2 you won't need to sharpen your chisels as frequently and therefore they reduce the need for efficient sharpening regime.

I'm all for laziness where sharpening is concerned as long as it is satisfied by selecting a method that makes it as effortless as possible, rather than by avoidance or procrastination.

Doug,

In fairness it may be worth considering in your Mathieson comparison that the older chisel has had plenty of time to 'bed in' with it's socket - years of expansion and contraction cycles as well as impacts etc. The LN will probably be just as good a fit in a few years time.

 

[Mr Ed]

In fairness it may be worth considering in your Mathieson comparison that the older chisel has had plenty of time to 'bed in' with it's socket - years of expansion and contraction cycles as well as impacts etc. The LN will probably be just as good a fit in a few years time.

In 6 years use, the handles have never fallen of my LN's. In any case, I was intending the trial to be more about how they are to use, not to see if we can make the handles drop off.

Ed

 

[Doug B]

not to see if we can make the handles drop off.

Ed

Spoil sport :lol: :lol:

 

[Jacob]

...
In 6 years use, the handles have never fallen of my LN's....

Is that a challenge?
Actually I now recall that the handle of my humongous 1/2" OBM came loose at the beginning. This was probably because it seemed to have spent half its life in a pond. I cured it by trimming a bit off (so the tang would tighten in further) and filling the hole with linseed oil.

 

[Doug B]

Doug,

In fairness it may be worth considering in your Mathieson comparison that the older chisel has had plenty of time to 'bed in' with it's socket - years of expansion and contraction cycles as well as impacts etc. The LN will probably be just as good a fit in a few years time.

I don`t doubt it Matthew, i was teasing.
I also imagine that given the price of the LN, Jacob`s point is valid, you would most likely keep the LN in as dry an envioronment as you can which will no doubt result in the handles shrinking & becoming loose.
Prior to me being given the Mathieson it was kept in a shed & was in shall we say a slightly :-" un-loved condition, i`m sure given time & my centrally heated workshop the handle will probably loosen.

 

[jimi43]

In ten years use I have never had a SS cap iron fall on my toe...but I am told they do with regularity! :mrgreen:

Ooops wrong thread...and not a sensible post at all...silly me... 8)

Jim

 

[Doug B]

In ten years use I have never had a SS cap iron fall on my toe...but I am told they do with regularity! :mrgreen:

Ooops wrong thread...and not a sensible post at all...silly me... 8)

Jim

I never realized how much danger my toes were in with this woodworking lark, & there was me thinking that that bare foot axe wielding log straightener was putting his tutsies at risk.

 

[jimi43]

In ten years use I have never had a SS cap iron fall on my toe...but I am told they do with regularity! :mrgreen:

Ooops wrong thread...and not a sensible post at all...silly me... 8)

Jim

I never realized how much danger my toes were in with this woodworking lark, & there was me thinking that that bare foot axe wielding log straightener was putting his tutsies at risk.

I hear tell you can trap your fingers under a honing jig roller too...

The list is endless.... :twisted:

Jim

 

[Mr Ed]

...
In 6 years use, the handles have never fallen of my LN's....

Is that a challenge?

No it's not, I like the handles where they are on the ends of the chisels

 

[Doug B]

I hear tell you can trap your fingers under a honing jig roller too...



Jim

I imagine that is one thing I (nor Jacob) will ever do..... :lol:

 

[David C]

One reason for wishing to change handles, is to simulate a long paring chisel. These are more like Japanese than the patternmaker's long paring chisels.

See my blog. http;//www,davidcharlesworth.co.uk/blog/

David

 

[Doug B]

http://www.davidcharlesworth.co.uk/blog/

 

[David C]

Thanks Doug.

 

[Jacob]

One reason for wishing to change handles, is to simulate a long paring chisel. These are more like Japanese than the patternmaker's long paring chisels.

See my blog. http;//www,davidcharlesworth.co.uk/blog/

David

Yebbut chisels are cheap (normal ones anyway) so if you really need a long handled paring chisel (who does :roll: ) it'd make more sense to simply acquire one, rather than having interchangeable handles on all your chisels.
I can see the commercial possibilities - every chisel having a set of handles of different lengths, every one of which could be lost quite easily.
You used to be able to get Woolworths cheapo saw kits with several blades fitting the one handle. They were a crap idea too!
Basically handles shouldn't drop off. Trying to find a justification for this just won't wash. We are not as daft as we look!

 

[AndyT]

You used to be able to get Woolworths cheapo saw kits with several blades fitting the one handle. They were a rubbish idea too!

Oi! Jacob - who are you calling cheap?!! :lol:

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/hand-saw-opportunity-t52893.html

 

[Jacob]

You used to be able to get Woolworths cheapo saw kits with several blades fitting the one handle. They were a rubbish idea too!

Oi! Jacob - who are you calling cheap?!! :lol:

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/hand-saw-opportunity-t52893.html

:lol:
At least the handle is supposed to come off!