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woodbloke

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As many know, I've been converted to the Kell III honing guide which will do almost all my honing needs but it does need some input on the part of the user to get the most out of it...so it's not a complete system straight out the box.
One of the things that it won't do is to hone a 45deg angle, which is needed for scrapers and a higher EP on my LA BU smoother, so for the uninitiated :wink: :lol: here's how I've got round the problem. The first pic shows the reason why:

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it won't go as far as 45deg...the brass registration plate will start to foul the abrasive paper if it's dropped any lower :cry: The second pic shows what I've been messing about with this morning. I have a great Veritas No80 which I can't hone...the blade is just too small and too wide to fit the KIII, so RL may have shot himself in the foot, again :wink:

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The solution was to take an old, thickish 01 steel card scraper and make it slightly narrower and much longer so it would fit into the Kell against the registration pins. The problem then is still to hone it at 45deg even though I now have a blade that fits the guide. The solution is to raise the wheels:

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by 6mm on some mdf and as you can see, the blade can now be honed at 45deg. In practise, I made up a frame:

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so that the the blade can be moved progressively from one grade of paper to the next, so that after working down through the grades, finishing at 5micron, polishing the back and then putting a slight hook on it, this is what it was doing on some AO:

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and the same thing on some Wakansian maple:

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The last thing to do was to make a 45deg projection board:

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so that the angle can be repeated easily on scraper or plane blades...it's 7.5mm if interested

Not quite sure though, how it'll cope with these 8-[ - Rob
 
woodbloke":v3j6nz5u said:
RL may have shot himself in the foot, again :wink:

Not really, because the scraper blade fits OK in the Veritas Mk 2 honing guide and the clone of the Eclipse guide, and can be set for 45 degrees in both of those.

Cheers :wink:

Paul
 
45 degrees no problem for my ln 85 scraper blade using the eclipse guide.
 
Paul Chapman":1e25pfov said:
woodbloke":1e25pfov said:
RL may have shot himself in the foot, again :wink:


Paul
He certainly did with the small one (now sold) 'cos that was half the size of a 'shave blade and almost impossible to hold.

I knew you'd have at least one honing guide Paul, that would do the job :wink: :lol:

Having fiddled around with the Kell this afternoon, it'll hold the AI fishtail skews as well...wonder if the VMKII or the Eclipse will do that? - Rob
 
woodbloke":746cf9y8 said:
Having fiddled around with the Kell this afternoon, it'll hold the AI fishtail skews as well...wonder if the VMKII or the Eclipse will do that?

Dunno, I don't own any fishtail skews, but I'm sure that they would fit in one of my many guides :lol:

Cheers :wink:

Paul
 
Paul Chapman":18j1zpup said:
woodbloke":18j1zpup said:
Having fiddled around with the Kell this afternoon, it'll hold the AI fishtail skews as well...wonder if the VMKII or the Eclipse will do that?

Dunno, I don't own any fishtail skews, but I'm sure that they would fit in one of my many guides :lol:

Cheers :wink:

Paul
But then if you had a KIII Paul...you'd only need one guide :lol: - Rob
 
I'm afraid I took the pragmatic approach and kept the Eclipse guide just for the #80 scraper blade. The Kell III then does for everything else. So far...

Boz
 
Paul Chapman":2el8vfj4 said:
woodbloke":2el8vfj4 said:
But then if you had a KIII Paul...you'd only need one guide :lol:

Yebbut the one who dies with the most guides wins :lol:

Cheers :wink:

Paul
Can't argue with that...gona crawl back under me rock :lol:

Bet you've even got more rocks that I have :( :lol: - Rob
 
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