Keir Starmer

[Phil Pascoe]

It isn't the fault of the successful why many others aren't.

"When people are presented with the alternatives of hating themselves for their failures or hating others for their success, they seldom choose to hate themselves."

Thomas Sowell.

 

[John Brown]

"When people are presented with the alternatives of hating themselves for their failures or hating others for their success, they seldom choose to hate themselves."

Thomas Sowell.

How many people do you suppose Thomas Sowell interviewed in depth in order to arrive at this conclusion?

It's easy to pick a quotation that supports your opinion, but it doesn't really add anything useful to the discussion.
IMO.

 

[Noel]

Do you really believe that only the ECHR benefits the British people and that our legal system is incapable of protecting its own citizens or metering out fair justice when needed?
The case I highlighted is a perfect example of an outside body interfering with what should be a simple process of evicting criminals and liars who have entered the county illegally! We've had this problem for years.
If we were allowed to deport criminals for whatever they've done to face the laws of their own country we wouldn't have so many coming here hiding behind the skirts of the ECHR in the first place. Once here it's virtually impossible to get rid of them.

The case of Abu Hamza al-Masri was another prime example of interference by the ECHR. Look at the lengths and costs they had to go to get rid of him.

If it can be proven beyond any doubt that someone coming here is guilty of a case of premeditated murder without any justification then they should be turfed out back to their home country forthwith to face the music with no appeals so that if they have the death penalty in that country then that's their problem not ours. We don't need them, we have enough of our own home-grown criminals without importing them.

The ECHR has ruled that the Albanian murderer has aright to family life...what about the person whom he shot in the head? Didn't they have a right to family life?
It's about time we got rid of this nonsense had a referendum on leaving the ECHR.

So, how would you maintain the GFA if the UK left the ECHR?

Any news yet @ey_tony ?

 

[Jake]

How many people do you suppose Thomas Sowell interviewed in depth in order to arrive at this conclusion?

It's easy to pick a quotation that supports your opinion, but it doesn't really add anything useful to the discussion.
IMO.

It does reflect much English thought on immigration though (and therefore Brexit).

 

[ey_tony]

Any news yet @ey_tony ?

What news do you want?
If they could send humans to the moon in the 20th Century, then surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility in the 21st Century to negotiate/ resolve the GFA/ECHR issues unless one wants to see them as an issue which can't be resolved in order to protract the UK's link with the EHCR.
I'll wager now the strongest proponents of staying in the ECHR are those who voted remain in the Brexit referendum.

The UK doesn't need people like that in charge of any negotiations if the UK is ever to progress as a fully independent nation. We saw how flawed Brexit negotiations were on the run up to leaving the EU.
The UK was in a prime position to call the shots but failed miserably due to weak negotiators.
The EU is a failing entity so why pin one's colours to the mast of a sinking ship?

 

[ey_tony]

How many people do you suppose Thomas Sowell interviewed in depth in order to arrive at this conclusion?

It's easy to pick a quotation that supports your opinion, but it doesn't really add anything useful to the discussion.
IMO.

I've travelled quite extensively around the world and in doing so I got to know the foundation of many cultures and I have to say of all the countries I've visited, none compare to Britain when it comes to vilifying anyone successful.
In the vast majority of countries success is admired but not here in Britain.
Here because of backward socialist politics, success is something to be vilified and punitively punished. Many of the people of this country have a terrible attitude toward anyone who breaks out of their social shackles and makes a success of their lives. It's envy and entitlement pure and simple all rolled into one.

Unless a large proportion of the population shed their backward ideas we'll always be a nation of haves and have-nots with everyone poorer as a consequence.

 

[sploo]

The UK was in a prime position to call the shots but failed miserably due to weak negotiators.
The EU is a failing entity so why pin one's colours to the mast of a sinking ship?

 

[ey_tony]

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When someone posts images like that I find it says it says far more about them than the original poster or myself in this case as it indicates that they aren't bright enough to grasp the details to have a reasoned debate....therefore I file their posts under the title Excrement. I have an image for that purpose if you'd like me to post it?

 

[Chris152]

Can you think of any reasons why some people are apathetic/ can't be bothered/ etc. Are those people that way because of some biological/ genetic condition, a result of the environment and culture they're born to, a combination of those, or something else?

On the British education system, this seems interesting:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/nov/21/english-class-system-shaped-in-schools

Any thoughts yet @ey_tony ?
Clearly, it's not good enough to simply label people this or that, we need to try to understand why they are the way they are.