Interesting Pieces of Furniture - 2

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[Shivers]

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Beckfort (wassisname) almost gets this but spoils it by being a great fussy big-head; conspicuous signature, hidden silver dollars, daft unecessarily complicated details etc.
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Afterthought - on the other hand perhaps this poncy trademarking thing works; everybody has heard of Thompson's mouse motif but who can recall what the furniture looks like? Very nicely made but otherwise fairly unremarkable except for the mouse.
http://www.robertthompsons.co.uk/

cheers
Jacob

You're a sharp so & so grims,i always think marketing is 90% percent of it --if customers go for it-then all the better,i get a bit hot around the collar when other woodworkers buy into the myth,woodworking is a serious business that provides income for many families,i'd have more respect for the shaker copymeister if he actually shared some of his wisdom with younger apprentices,instead he comes across as a barmy loner to me,

regards.

 

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[AndyBoyd]

David Charlesworth, Andy King, David Savage and the Lee valley chap (whoops forgotten his name) - gee this is the place to be!

I hope David does not mind me copying his chairs
http://croeso.typepad.com/photos/furnit ... index.html , as it's only for me and I'm not selling then I suppose he won't

 

[Shivers]

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,i always think marketing is 90% percent of it --if customers go for it-then all the better,

Yes you are so right - I intend to get my act together and am working on the T shirt. Actually my website does still bring in a lot of enquiries even though I'm not doing joinery any more

i get a bit hot around the collar when other woodworkers buy into the myth

Me too. Hence I tend towards de-bunking - a bit too much for some; I get told off by moderators every now and then!

cheers
Jacob

I may ruffle some feathers but it's all in a straight forward workmanlike manner,jeez when i left college thinking i was the bees knees with my C&G's 1,2,3 & the design cert,boy did i find out really fast how little i knew,those papers count for something & i'm glad i got them,but theres nothing like working in a few shops to get a bit of humility & actually learn,today it's like anywhere else-you have to be careful of peoples feelings,if the guy's whom stuck it to me had been kinder ,i probably would only know half of of what i do know.
These mags are a mixed bag,
anyway --i enjoy your posts,--regards.

 

[Anonymous]

I may ruffle some feathers but it's all in a straight forward workmanlike manner,jeez when i left college thinking i was the bees knees with my C&G's 1,2,3 & the design cert,boy did i find out really fast how little i knew,those papers count for something & i'm glad i got them,but theres nothing like working in a few shops to get a bit of humility & actually learn,today it's like anywhere else-you have to be careful of peoples feelings,if the guy's whom stuck it to me had been kinder ,i probably would only know half of of what i do know.
These mags are a mixed bag,
anyway --i enjoy your posts,--regards.

Nothing wrong with feather ruffling, agreed working in a number of workshops has given me the confidence to know I can tackle most jobs to a high level of competance, but eventually you reach a point where your not prepared to have it "stuck to you", and thats the point where you start thinking, I can do this better than you, as a result my previous boss lost a good maker and now has serious competition, so I'm not sure I will "stick it to people", (apart from incompetent reps of course).

 

[Shivers]

I may ruffle some feathers but it's all in a straight forward workmanlike manner,jeez when i left college thinking i was the bees knees with my C&G's 1,2,3 & the design cert,boy did i find out really fast how little i knew,those papers count for something & i'm glad i got them,but theres nothing like working in a few shops to get a bit of humility & actually learn,today it's like anywhere else-you have to be careful of peoples feelings,if the guy's whom stuck it to me had been kinder ,i probably would only know half of of what i do know.
These mags are a mixed bag,
anyway --i enjoy your posts,--regards.

Nothing wrong with feather ruffling, agreed working in a number of workshops has given me the confidence to know I can tackle most jobs to a high level of competance, but eventually you reach a point where your not prepared to have it "stuck to you", and thats the point where you start thinking, I can do this better than you, as a result my previous boss lost a good maker and now has serious competition, so I'm not sure I will "stick it to people", (apart from incompetent reps of course).

I've walked out on a few --a couple in dramatic fashion as well,i once joined a large shop after about 3 interviews to get in(which i thought a bit excessive),the first day i rolled in my toolbox,there were 20 guys working there,by 11.00am i rolled my tools out --everyone was complaining so much about the company--i decided i'd rather go on a job search again,they say i held the record,the previous record there was 2 days,i gave it 3 hrs.nothing to be proud of really but i had another job by the end of the week & was fine,a year after that i went out on my own & started up a shop.

 

[dedee]

Something that sticks in my mind from my visit to Robert Thompson (as a tourist) was the adzed finish on some of his pieces.

Of course I do not have the knowledge and expertise of some but I do not recall seeing this type of finish elsewhere. Is the use of an adze to finish a table top such a high skill as the Thompson guys would make us believe?
I suspect it would be difficult to reproduce by machine.

Andy

 

[Sgian Dubh]

i was assessing the pricing of the becks think i noticed i was to be shot down by someone --& low & behold here comes the cavalry richard jones --which i studied his website ---nuff said aswell. regards .

Shivers, I'm trying to work out what point you were attempting to make with that comment. Would you care to enlighten me to the meaning of "---nuff said aswell"? Slainte.

 

[Anonymous]

i was assessing the pricing of the becks think i noticed i was to be shot down by someone --& low & behold here comes the cavalry richard jones --which i studied his website ---nuff said aswell. regards .

Shivers, I'm trying to work out what point you were attempting to make with that comment. Would you care to enlighten me to the meaning of "---nuff said aswell"? Slainte.

Yeah,

And would you care to enlighten me as to the meaning of 'Slainte'? :lol:

Leeds must be a lot poncier these days than when I knew it!

Cheers
Brad

 

[Pete W]

And would you care to enlighten me as to the meaning of 'Slainte'?

'Cheers' in a gaelic accent, I believe :wink:

 

[Sgian Dubh]

Leeds must be a lot poncier these days than when I knew it! Cheers Brad

Brad, you've slainte taped, so it's just your comment on the poncey element to sort out.

You could be right because it's all Aire-side 'apartments' in pastels and glass now and underground parking.

On the other hand, the local youth still venture out on freezing nights with their replica Geordie invisible thermal jackets and skirts up to their hips-- and that's just the guys. So perhaps it hasn't all gone effete and interior designer frou-frou with swaggy drapes across the windows. Slainte.

 

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[Anonymous]

You lot wouldn't know poncy if it came up and slapped you in the face, come down south and then you'll see poncy. :lol:

Toasted penini bread and goats cheese, whats wrong with a cheese and pickle sandwich.

 

[Shivers]

i was assessing the pricing of the becks think i noticed i was to be shot down by someone --& low & behold here comes the cavalry richard jones --which i studied his website ---nuff said aswell. regards .

Shivers, I'm trying to work out what point you were attempting to make with that comment. Would you care to enlighten me to the meaning of "---nuff said aswell"? Slainte.

A bit of a bitchy remark there on my behalf,probably the answers could be found in the estimating discussion,
through the right channels i've learned the errors of my ways & have to resist such brash comments & should keep my opinions to myself.

Slainte(good health),

 

[Sgian Dubh]

Graceful apology accepted at this end. Time to move along Shivers. Slainte.

 

[Sgian Dubh]

This is a general comment that I think is worth bearing in mind when these furniture commentary or assessment threads are raised. The comments aren't addressed to anyone in particular, just a sort of general reminder. I think commentary on the work of other makers, particularly living makers, should be careful and measured.

It's all too easy to step over an opaque line into making comments that aren't really appropriate. You just never know who's watching on the internet. Its reach is far and wide.

Two incidents in my recent past serve to illustrate just how far the internet spreads. An acquaintance of mine visited a furniture makers website and recognised one of the photographs being used to advertise this makers business. It was my piece of furniture, and my photograph. The image had been lifted off my website and placed on his. My acquaintance emailed me to let me know and I followed up with a load of snotty emails to the offending party until he removed my copyrighted image from his website. There was a lot of obsequious grovelling at his end after some initial bluff and bravado-- cheeky b*st--d really knew he hadn't got a leg to stand on.

A second incident involved a discussion on a forum where one of my online published articles was getting a going over by one contributor in particular. It was not a forum I visited, but one user that knows me alerted me to the discussion and provided a link. Off I toddled to view what was being said. I let it brew a bit before I made an entry with a point by point response to the person casting big stones (anonymously he thought) in my direction. The sound of squealing tyres as he back-pedalled furiously was almost ear-piercing.

So guys and gals, just be careful what you say on forums. There are ears, eyes, and long, long tentacles. Slainte.

 

[Philly]

Richard
Some good points there!
As a basic rule (and yes, it is in the Forum Rules!) treat others as you would expect others to treat you. We aim to keep UK Workshop a friendly, helpful place to share experiences with woodwork. Please think twice before making inappropriate comments.
Philly

 

[spadge]

Very fair points Richard and agree that derogitory comments aimed at the maker, or their customers are totally inappropriate.
Having said that I have found these threads interesting just because of the diversity of views they attract and I would hate for them to become sanitised to the point that all we get are posts saying how wonderful a piece is.
So lets keep the health debate, just drop any inappropriate personal comments.

Cheers

Grahame

 

[mailee]

I used to read the David Savage articles in the mags and although I didn't always agree with some of his comments have to say he knows his stuff. Mostly his firniture isn't to my taste but everyone to their own of course. I can still appreciate the amount of work that goes into designing a piece like these let alone actually making it and for that I can respect the man. I haven't noticed anything from him in any of the mags recently is he still writing or just concentrating on his furniture business? :?: