Interesting Pieces of Furniture - 2

[Shivers]

Have you heard some modern "classical" music? You'd need the score in front of you if you didn't know the piece - it all sounds wrong. :lol:

No i haven't somehow that sounds like a very bad experience. Theres a lot of people out there whom have had bumps on the head at some time.

i'd call beckvoort folk music & savage abstract jazz.

regards,

 

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[promhandicam]

. . . .Not for me!

Not for me either I'm afraid. I thought that it looked like something inspired by Gerald Scarfe (listened to Pink Floyds The Wall at the weekend - for the first time in a long time - so that might have something to do with it) There is something about the relationship between the bulbous curves of the top and the tapering legs that I find quite nauseating. Like others, I've also had a look at the website and my vote would be for the million dollar table from this particular stable.

Steve
(evidently in need of some art appreciation lessons)

 

[Shivers]

Thought i'd give a quick re-vist before the thread dies,

I'm not sure if thats a drawer i can see on the end --maybe paul can answer,although its not my cup of tea i can appreciate the tremendous amount of thought that went into this piece-multiple curves all balanced out in proportion to each other,as for the feet --really i can't imagine them being any different,this astute design element solidifies the design,without them it would lack a certain appeal,again its a shame the photo is so dark as this only adds to the lightness of the feet there upon drawing focus against the white background(also a bad idea),it would also have been nice to see various angles--as to truely judge a piece you have to be able to move around it --to feel how comfortable it is.

regards.

 

[Paul Chapman]

I'm not sure if thats a drawer i can see on the end --maybe paul can answer

Hi Shivers,

There are two drawers in the front of the desk - the two semi-circle bits you can see are the drawer pulls. Yes it's a pity that the photograph is so poor. I first saw this piece in a series of articles in a woodworking magazine covering its construction and the photographs taken for that were really first class.

Many thanks for all your comments - I've found them really interesting.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Shivers]

I'm not sure if thats a drawer i can see on the end --maybe paul can answer

Hi Shivers,

There are two drawers in the front of the desk - the two semi-circle bits you can see are the drawer pulls. Yes it's a pity that the photograph is so poor. I first saw this piece in a series of articles in a woodworking magazine covering its construction and the photographs taken for that were really first class.

Many thanks for all your comments - I've found them really interesting.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

Cheers paul ---i should also mention that a camera lense also add a somewhat distorted view of perpective sometimes exagerating it ---all the more so if a lense less than 55mm is used --thanks again --nice table.

 

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[Taffy Turner]

I don't really like that - for some reason my first thought when I saw it was "spider".

Gary

 

[Shivers]

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i can appreciate the tremendous amount of thought that went into this piece-multiple curves all balanced out in proportion to each other

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Dunno I think the fact that one is so aware of the design and craft effort which went into this piece is a weakness. It looks difficult and nervous.
Whereas IMHO much of the best design is less attention seeking, less in your face. Good design is often invisible in that a thing looks obviously right as though achieved with little effort. Beckfort (wassisname) almost gets this but spoils it by being a great fussy big-head; conspicuous signature, hidden silver dollars, daft unecessarily complicated details etc. Why can't he just leave well alone and join the vast army of the "anonymous" craftsmen responsible for most of what we admire from all periods.

cheers
Jacob

Good thoughts there grimsdale,i see the savage piece as jazzy, the becksvoort--no problem with the chest at all --its him i got the problem with using his golden ethics as a marketing tool,i doubt the original designers of that form(the shakers)sold to rich clientel,also when i was assessing the pricing of the becks think i noticed i was to be shot down by someone --& low & behold here comes the cavalry richard jones --which i studied his website ---nuff said aswell.
This game isn't all about high art or ethics --like anything else most cabinetmakers have to make a living,when people rant on about ethics high end tools ect--i have to wonder if they livein the real world ---just a hundred yrs ago metal tools became more widely available,i guess there wasn't any decent furniture made before then. you gotta laugh at the preciousness of it all.
Was there ever life before Lie Nielson or japanese hand tools.


BTW have you seen or read alan peters first book,he seems to be near that timelessness you mention,a very good explanation you gave there by the way.

regards .

 

[Keefaz]

Seems to be something almost high-heel fetish about those legs.

 

[Taffy Turner]

Seems to be something almost high-heel fetish about those legs.

I hadn't noticed that, but now that you come to mention it..... :-k [-( 8-[

 

[Paul Chapman]

Isn't part of the problem with judging the monetary worth of something to do with the "antique" and "collectable" thing that is so prevalent today? I read a piece a little while ago about a well-known British photographer (I think it was Ian Berry) who works for the Magnum photo agency http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.a ... 7O3R1VX08V He uses Leica cameras and to help someone out he sold one of his old, well-used Leica's to a struggling amateur photographer.

He was livid when a few months later it was sold at somewhere like Sothebys for a couple of thousand pounds because it was an "ex-Ian Berry Leica". Needless to say, he won't be doing that again.

It's this sort of artificial inflation of prices that has made me conclude that getting all hot and bothered about what something is worth is all a bit pointless.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

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[Paul Chapman]

"Miss Whiplash"

I had better be careful about stating publicly what sort of pieces I like - you'll all be getting the wrong impression about me :lol: :lol:

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Shivers]

Isn't part of the problem with judging the monetary worth of something to do with the "antique" and "collectable" thing that is so prevalent today? I read a piece a little while ago about a well-known British photographer (I think it was Ian Berry) who works for the Magnum photo agency http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.a ... 7O3R1VX08V He uses Leica cameras and to help someone out he sold one of his old, well-used Leica's to a struggling amateur photographer.

He was livid when a few months later it was sold at somewhere like Sothebys for a couple of thousand pounds because it was an "ex-Ian Berry Leica". Needless to say, he won't be doing that again.

It's this sort of artificial inflation of prices that has made me conclude that getting all hot and bothered about what something is worth is all a bit pointless.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

I like its "NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS CHARM" although i couldn't live with it, as to value ---I think theres worth --then theres worth.


this piece is worth a lot because of the amount of extra skill involved in the creation ----also give savage a huge pat on the back for not being a loner & passing on all he knows to his apprentices.


what does beecksvoort do---he plays on the mysticism & dark art of woodworking to his dumbarse clients,thats the difference ----i'll say it again --all over england there are legions of everyday cabinetmakers whom put out work just as good ---& 3 times the amount of it too.

thanks paul.

 

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[AndyBoyd]

Now that's more like it superb craftsmanship and excellent subtle design.
This is way better than Becksfort's shaker stuff, good workmanship but he is not taking furniture design anywhere by slavishly copying the past.

the work David Savage and his team put into these pieces are just staggering I'm trying to copy some of his work right now and it's real edge of your seats stuff - and I'm just copying the design, imagine designing something that good and having to make it. Phew

Well worth the price tag

Da iawn

 

[Alf]

'Course, Andy, you have the benefit of posting that after David Savage has just joined the forum... #-o 8-[ :lol:

 

[Jake]

I'm with Jacob on this one.

It oozes craftsmanship, but the style leaves me cold.

I guess it could fit in some surroundings - the foyer to Minster Court maybe, with dalmatian rugs.

 

[Paul Chapman]

David Savage has just joined the forum...

Perhaps he could post a better picture of the piece?

Cheers :wink:

Paul