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[RobinBHM]

Yup...secomd consecutive month of NEGATIVE growth. Well done, Rachel. Recession anyone ?

The U.K. will do massively better under this govt than the last one.

Enjoy

 

[woodieallen]

The U.K. will do massively better under this govt than the last one.

Enjoy

I admire your wishful thinking.

 

[ey_tony]

Tony, we really dont

there is nothing socialist about the Labour government

it is a party who are increasing taxes a bit to give more money to desperately needed services....like shortening the NHS waiting lists.

Robin, they're socialists, so don't kid yourself or anyone else otherwise!
Looking at the recent budget one couldn't draw any other conclusion. They've ideologically taxed those least likely to vote for them and instead rewarded the hands that put crosses in boxes for them at the polling station.
It was rather thoughtful of them don't you think to take the winter fuel payment from the undeserving pensioners and give the money to the deserving train drivers...

One thing that stands out is that most of the government ministers are drawn from the public sector with little or no business experience which already shows so I can only see the economy going one way!

They've put taxes on employers which will put up the costs of everything in the form of inflation, then they've got planned impractical working practice changes from the lovely Angela waiting in the wings which are undoubtedly going to impact seriously on jobs and employment so you really can't mistake that only socialists would introduce those and then claim it will create growth in the economy. If only!

It took the Tories 10 years to become as unpopular as Starmer has managed in a few months.

 

[sploo]

Whoops I miss-read the report, sorry if I mislead anyone.

As everyone's busy tearing strips off one another (something of which I've frequently been guilty of too); can I just highlight that Mike acknowledged his misunderstand. I'm meaning that as a compliment of a positive contribution; it's not a poke at Mike.

 

[selectortone]

Robin, they're socialists

Yes, and, as they used to say on the buildings down here in Dorset: " And my pr*ck's a bloater".

 

[Jacob]

Robin, they're socialists, so don't kid yourself or anyone else otherwise!
Looking at the recent budget one couldn't draw any other conclusion. They've ideologically taxed those least likely to vote for them

What nonsense!
They've done the opposite;
not removing the 3rd child benefit limit
stopping winter fuel allowances for pensioners.
increasing NI contributions, i.e. a tax on jobs.
About as un-socialist as you can get!

 

[ey_tony]

Yes, and, as they used to say on the buildings down here in Dorset: " And my pr*ck's a bloater".

Are you suggesting that they aren't socialists?
It appears that many left wingers are now distancing themselves from Starmer et al as if they are an embarrassment. I can understand that bit but I'm waiting to hear some supporting evidence to suggest that Starmer et al are actually doing a good job or even know what they are doing let alone the doing the good job part?

Starmer is the Messiah that left wingers prayed for and dreamed about since 2010...their prayers have definitely fallen on deaf ears that's for sure LOL

 

[ey_tony]

What nonsense!
They've done the opposite;
not dropping the 3rd child benefit
stopping winter fuel allowances for pensioners.
increasing NI contributions, i.e. a tax on jobs.
About as un-socialist as you can get!

I think you'll have to interpret and explain the logic to your answer as I confess that it's all nonsense to me!

 

[selectortone]

Are you suggesting that they aren't socialists?
It appears that many left wingers are now distancing themselves from Starmer

This has sweet FA to do with the subject of this thread and everything to do with your favourite hobby horse. Congratulations in advance of getting it relegated to OT2.

 

[Jacob]

I think you'll have to interpret and explain the logic to your answer as I confess that it's all nonsense to me!

It's really obvious.
If you can't understand these things you are wasting your time even trying to comment.
n.b. I meant to say "not removing the 3rd child benefit limit" but that should be obvious.

 

[mudman]

I think you'll have to interpret and explain the logic to your answer as I confess that it's all nonsense to me!

It's interesting how he says it's obvious then has to correct what he said to make it understandable.

Also interesting how increased taxes is now anti-socialist considering how often Jacob blathers on about how everyone needs to be taxed to the hilt. Seems to want it both ways.

 

[JimJay]

It's really obvious.
If you can't understand these things you are wasting your time even trying to comment.
n.b. I meant to say "not removing the 3rd child benefit limit" but that should be obvious.

So now we have to decipher your posts based on what we think you might have meant rather than what you actually wrote? I think you should have made us aware of this a long time ago: "if I appear to be spouting complete twaddle, it's only because you can't grasp that I obviously meant to say something sensible..."

 

[Jacob]

.....
Looking at the recent budget one couldn't draw any other conclusion. They've ideologically taxed those least likely to vote for them....

They have done the opposite; parents in need of child benefit, OAPs on small pensions, workers in low paid jobs, all most likely to vote for them, now being taxed.
You just need to pay more attention.

 

[RobinBHM]

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I admire your wishful thinking.

Do you think the Conservative party or the Reform Party would do better? ( A = the former didnt over the last 14 years and the latter offer nothing of substance)

by the way, the people moaning bitterly about Labour increasing taxes never seem to put forward any suggestions of how they would fund public services which are starved to the point of collapse...........would you like to venture some suggestions?


The harsh reality is that this government inherited a country on its knees, destroyed by 40+ years of neo liberalism, brexit, covid corruption.............what miracles did you think labour were going to pull out of the bag?

 

[Chris152]

by the way, the people moaning bitterly about Labour increasing taxes never seem to put forward any suggestions of how they would fund public services which are starved to the point of collapse...........would you like to venture some suggestions?

Well, they'd have privatised them all - I suppose that was the plan? Run 'em down, flog 'em off cheap.

 

[ey_tony]

Do you think the Conservative party or the Reform Party would do better? ( A = the former didnt over the last 14 years and the latter offer nothing of substance)

by the way, the people moaning bitterly about Labour increasing taxes never seem to put forward any suggestions of how they would fund public services which are starved to the point of collapse...........would you like to venture some suggestions?


The harsh reality is that this government inherited a country on its knees, destroyed by 40+ years of neo liberalism, brexit, covid corruption.............what miracles did you think labour were going to pull out of the bag?

This government inherited a country that had faced THREE recessions, two of them global and one of the Northern Hemisphere that previous governments had to deal with since 2010 and taxpayers not paying enough tax to cover spends, resulting in borrowing for day to day living.

It's like families getting their credit card out to pay for things they can't really afford...eventually the day of reckoning has to come and now is that day.

Thank goodness that Starmer et al weren't in power when we had the Covid crisis, that's all I can say.
He and his cohorts are milking the this alleged £22bn black hole... the previous governments were faced with figures like £360bn black holes...this lot are an absolute joke.

 

[ey_tony]

It's interesting how he says it's obvious then has to correct what he said to make it understandable.

Also interesting how increased taxes is now anti-socialist considering how often Jacob blathers on about how everyone needs to be taxed to the hilt. Seems to want it both ways.

There are no true socialists believe me, they're fair weather at best but more likely just virtue signallers!
Probably the only true socialist was Jeremy Corbyn...he's a hard boiled socialist whom I actually respect...not this virtue signalling block head who's in charge.
At least Corbyn was honest not like this lying two faced toad.

 

[ey_tony]

This has sweet FA to do with the subject of this thread and everything to do with your favourite hobby horse. Congratulations in advance of getting it relegated to OT2.

I'm sure you will want the thread removed or closed as usual as it's clear you and others don't have the answers to the questions I pose and shows the current socialist government in a bad light.

 

[selectortone]

I'm sure you will want the thread removed or closed as usual as it's clear you and others don't have the answers to the questions I pose and shows the current socialist government in a bad light.

*Sigh*. What was the title of the thread again?

 

[Chris152]

What was the title of the thread again?

'Tony's thoughts on the current UK govt., and various unrelated issues as they occur to him.'