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Some classic internet misinformation going on on this thread. We need someone who actually moved to France and has taken advantage of the S1 form to chip on here.
It works the same way in any EU country, with just the odd minor difference due to local bureaucratic procedures. I'm amazed how few people seem to inform themselves about life in their supposedly-idyllic chosen destination; so many Brits, even now, seem to think that they can just up sticks and emigrate wherever they please. The most common complaint you hear over here is why the authorities don't speak English, why there's no dole money (no, I'm NOT kidding!) - and why the supermarkets don't stock Bisto, Marmite or "proper" tea; the British migrants I've met in other countries are often exactly the same. Every country seems to have two types of British "expats": one group spend their time boozing and gossiping about other Brits, and the other would cross the street to avoid anyone who looked even vaguely like a fellow countryman.
 
....Low taxes, small government is hugely beneficial and creates a larger economy. ....
Unfortunately untrue. In fact utter nonsense, as we know from the failed childish economic experiments conducted by the the tories over the last 45 years.
......The only reason we are still in the UK is my wife wants to be close to our children and grandchildren.
Good to hear that your family find other things are more important than tax rates!
The paradox is that those with most to gain financially (highly taxed) also have least need (high incomes) and they can make decisions on more important issues than just cash.
It's a myth that people are swarming off in all directions, at the drop of a hat, in search of low tax regimes. We are better off without the few that do and good riddance to the greedy b******s.
For most people there are other more important/ intelligent priorities
 
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Well, if you actually thought about it you might draw another conclusion. If you over tax the wealthy as a country you deserve to see the wealthy find alternative strategies to avoid paying exorbitant rates of tax. If you had a lower rate of tax, more wealthy individuals would chose to have the UK as their place of residency, and the greater the tax collection for the government. Low taxes, small government is hugely beneficial and creates a larger economy. Just look for instance at Eire, Southern Ireland that has transformed its economy by reducing……business tax to be one of the lowest in the EU. Guess where a lot of the large corporations make the headquarters and pay tax…..not the UK! One of my last jobs before retiring was moving the European headquarters to a tax efficient country. We chose Holland but Ireland came a very close second.
So... making a profit in one country by taking advantage of the services and stability funded by taxpayers, but moving profits to another country in order to avoid paying a fair share of tax back into the original country. Got it.
 
If you over tax the wealthy as a country you deserve to see the wealthy find alternative strategies to avoid paying exorbitant rates of tax. If you had a lower rate of tax, more wealthy individuals would chose to have the UK as their place of residency
Yes the wealthy have been selling that to the poor for years.

Trussonomics
 
So... making a profit in one country by taking advantage of the services and stability funded by taxpayers, but moving profits to another country in order to avoid paying a fair share of tax back into the original country. Got it.
I see @deema is multi lingual too referring to Ireland as "Eire" (not quite the correct spelling)...............
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Some classic internet misinformation going on on this thread. We need someone who actually moved to France and has taken advantage of the S1 form to chip on here.
That's me, cut open my leg with a disc cutter, free hospital treatment, seventeen stitches' (well it was a 225mm diamond disc cutter) Pharmaceuticals over €200.00 and none of the dressings where long enough or stick to the bandage's I had to source myself.
 
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Sorry (again) to be pedantic about this but your initial post could dispel someone’s dream to the dustbin when it’s a far less onerous matter to navigate than originally suggested.
That's a very fair point and I did go back to see if I could 'improve' the original post but not possible.
 
Ireland that has transformed its economy by reducing……business tax to be one of the lowest in the EU. Guess where a lot of the large corporations make the headquarters and pay tax…..not the UK!

I have to challenge that as a former small business; only big companies enjoy the low tax rate, for 'closely held' companies, ie 90% of smaller and medium enterprises, the 30% tax rate applies. Yes, this means Apple, Facebook, Google and Amazon route their profits here, but it means sweet Fanny Adams for most businesses. I was obliged to extract all my profits as salary or pension, or loose 30% of it to Revenue (and then pay income taxes on it anyway).
 
I have to challenge that as a former small business; only big companies enjoy the low tax rate, for 'closely held' companies, ie 90% of smaller and medium enterprises, the 30% tax rate applies. Yes, this means Apple, Facebook, Google and Amazon route their profits here, but it means sweet Fanny Adams for most businesses. I was obliged to extract all my profits as salary or pension, or loose 30% of it to Revenue (and then pay income taxes on it anyway).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_as_a_tax_haven
"Research undertaken by Oxfam put Ireland sixth in a list of 15 countries that are, “helping big business to cheat countries and their citizens out of billions of euro in tax every year.”
https://www.newstalk.com/news/irela...-avoidance-for-us-firms-obama-adviser-1753507
 
I have to challenge that as a former small business; only big companies enjoy the low tax rate, for 'closely held' companies, ie 90% of smaller and medium enterprises, the 30% tax rate applies. Yes, this means Apple, Facebook, Google and Amazon route their profits here, but it means sweet Fanny Adams for most businesses. I was obliged to extract all my profits as salary or pension, or loose 30% of it to Revenue (and then pay income taxes on it anyway).
Exactly. Quite apart from my personal moral objections of organisations benefiting from the (tax funded) services in a country, then not paying their fair share; that method of dodging tax is only open to the large/wealthy organisations anyway (further increasing the divide). I'm not advocating that small enterprises should also be able to dodge tax in that way; just that such tax avoidance is very much the preserve of the "elite", and costs basically everyone else in the country more money.
 
Criticism associated with how big business and wealthy individuals exploit tax differences and legal structures to minimise taxes is a little sterile.

In an interconnected world national borders are becoming meaningless. "Take back control" may have resonated with voters in a referendum, but 3 years on seems to have made no difference to behaviours. Bluntly the UK is part of an international community and does not have control.

It is also no surprise that businesses and the wealthy put money before "morality" - they will reduce their costs where they can and tax is just another cost.

As individuals we (mostly) apply the same behaviours - favouring cheap imported over UK produced, and whose price may reflect exploitative labour practices, lack of environmental standards, etc.

The coherent future needs to embrace a common set of standards to which all nations need to subscribe - or the pursuit by all of us to optimise personal circumstances will be perpetuated.
 
The coherent future needs to embrace a common set of standards to which all nations need to subscribe - or the pursuit by all of us to optimise personal circumstances will be perpetuated.
Considering how many "nations" are unable to embrace the notion that women even have rights over their own bodies - including one purportedly civilised/advanced one - I think your "coherent future" will be a LONG time coming...
 
Just look for instance at Eire, Southern Ireland that has transformed its economy by reducing……business tax to be one of the lowest in the EU. Guess where a lot of the large corporations make the headquarters and pay tax…..not the UK!
Most people in Ireland (or Éire if you prefer) credit the EEC/EU with much of the transformation of the Irish economy. Structural funds in the early days to improve infrastructure. A lot of EU legislation improved environmental pollution situations that were of no concern to Irish politicians at the time. A young (English speaking) educated workforce with access to EU markets for many non EU multinationals were big draws (and still are). The low corporate tax was definitely an incentive but it turned into a massive tax avoidance scheme.
There's very little appetite in Ireland for leaving the EU despite some misgivings about certain items
 
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Further to my #3 post, I also remember a quote from the Cosmos boss at the time - Sid Silver? - that the downside of cheap, long duration winter holidays enabled folk who shouldn't be allowed to go abroad, go abroad!
 
I am a duel National UK French citizen that emigrated 11 years ago with an S1 The S1 covers the basic health care costs and provides the French with a way of recharging the UK for that part of your health care. Your Carte Vital has a special number that allows this. Over and above this you really need health care insurance ( mutuelle) ours is €300 per month for two of us covers a certain amount of dentistry, glasses, consultant visits scans private room in hospital, ambulance etc. If you don't have a mutuelle you won't die in a corridor or on the steps of a hospital but it makes things easier. If you don't have an S1 then there is a very basic state funded access to the health service. The S1 from memory is only available to retirees and is or was complicated to get. Wading through French bureaucracy to get your Carte Vital is not for the faint hearted either and you need to be competent in the language, there are no translators. Most people have a mutuelle usually through their work or union with some form of subsidy.
 
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Criticism associated with how big business and wealthy individuals exploit tax differences and legal structures to minimise taxes is a little sterile.

In an interconnected world national borders are becoming meaningless. "Take back control" may have resonated with voters in a referendum, but 3 years on seems to have made no difference to behaviours. Bluntly the UK is part of an international community and does not have control.
Brexit "gave up control" within the EU. It's amazing how leavers can't understand the simple facts. UK has control in the UK but did not "take back control" over anything - it gave it up
It is also no surprise that businesses and the wealthy put money before "morality" - they will reduce their costs where they can and tax is just another cost.
It is also no surprise that modern states have put running the state for the benefit of all by taxing and spending, over and above the interests of businesses and the wealthy. There is no alternative, and the more the better..
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The coherent future needs to embrace a common set of standards to which all nations need to subscribe - or the pursuit by all of us to optimise personal circumstances will be perpetuated.
yes but we can have standards of our own too.
 
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Considering how many "nations" are unable to embrace the notion that women even have rights over their own bodies - including one purportedly civilised/advanced one - I think your "coherent future" will be a LONG time coming...
All the more reason for the civilised world to set an example and encourage the others, especially womens' movements.
It's been a long hard battle in the UK too, and not all over by any means. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93pzxwvl1xo
It's going backwards in USA.
 
Brexit "gave up control" within the EU. It's amazing how leavers can't understand the simple facts. UK has control in the UK but did not "take back control" over anything - it gave it up
Give it up, Jacob. We never had "control" - we couldn't even get permission to take the VAT off sanitary towels.
 
Two examples, A couple we know good friends emigrated to France 30 plus years ago, still there & have been back just a couple of times, They became fluent in French & fitted in.
Another guy, bought a house in south of France, rabid brexiteer, now visits twice a year & takes everything down with him from the uk, all tools building materials, everything. Literally spends as little as possible when out there.
The very term "Expat" is a joke, in reality it simply means Immigrant who thinks they are better than the natives.
 
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