I think i just did something stupid. Bought a plane...

[Henning]

I went and got myself a proper plane :shock:

From before i own a few planes of course, one broken old wooden thingy, one old wooden shoulder plane, a stanley which i spent ages getting ok'ish and which still need some work and a stanley spokeshave. All of which is some serious sources of frustration and not much else.

And then i bought a E.C.Emmerich adjustable block plane. (seen here: http://www.ecemmerich.com/secundus-hobel.html)

Not sure that was a smart move. I have made one shaving, straight out of the box, which both felt and looked better than any shaving i've ever made.

Off to have a long look at Clifton offerings now :shock:

Which planes does a newbie really need first?

 

[Ironballs]

Looks like a nice plane, welcome to the slope :twisted:

 

[Henning]

Looks like a nice plane, welcome to the slope :twisted:

I'm not really sure that's a welcome i should be thankful for... :shock:
I have a slight feeling this will be expensive...

 

[woodbloke]

I'm not really sure that's a welcome i should be thankful for... :shock:
I have a slight feeling this will be expensive...

Probably...welcome to the 'Slope' :wink: - Rob

 

[houtslager]

Henning wrote:


I'm not really sure that's a welcome i should be thankful for... Shocked
I have a slight feeling this will be expensive...

Probably...welcome to the 'Slope' Wink - Rob

:twisted: definately will be,

welcome. as you pass by, here is some grease for the "slope" tm 8) :lol:

 

[Vann]

Which planes does a newbie really need first?

That's a thread that's been done to death...

Two planes: Your block, and a No.4 (or No.5) - set for smoothing;
Three planes: Your block, a No.4 (or 3) - smoothing, and a No.5 - jack
Four planes: add a No.7.......

Cheers, Vann

 

[Henning]

Which planes does a newbie really need first?

That's a thread that's been done to death...

Two planes: Your block, and a No.4 (or No.5) - set for smoothing;
Three planes: Your block, a No.4 (or 3) - smoothing, and a No.5 - jack
Four planes: add a No.7.......

Cheers, Vann

Thanks a lot Vann! Nice one!

I spent last night reading the "complete book of woodworking tools" on the Emmerich page and actually figured out the difference between some of the planes. As a non-native speaker i sometimes spend a lot of time figuring out things
I think i'll go for 3 planes first based on your suggestions. Thanks again!

And thank you very much to you slope greasers as well :-D

I will probably treat myself to one of the 704-P's from E.C.E next. Seen here: http://www.ecemmerich.com/primus-hobel.html
That leaves me with needing ("needing" would be more correct...) a number 5...

 

[woodbloke]

And thank you very much to you slope greasers as well :-D

Welcome...any time :lol: - Rob

 

[Shrubby]

Hi Henning,
I have a 704-p but much prefer the secondus or even the wedge type planes from ECE and Ulmia. Look for the adjustable throat and a screw lever cap - simple and effective
Matt

 

[Henning]

Hi Henning,
I have a 704-p but much prefer the secondus or even the wedge type planes from ECE and Ulmia. Look for the adjustable throat and a screw lever cap - simple and effective
Matt

Beeing the complete newbie that i am, may i ask why you prefer the wedge?

And thanks!

Only reason i would be going for a 704-P is the fact it's available here, and i would get it fast...

 

[Digit]

Beeing the complete newbie that i am, may i ask why you prefer the wedge?

Those new to wooden planes with a wedge normally have considerable difficulty in adjusting the iron, it can be most frustrating!
With practise, and a suitable mallet, the skill can be learned and it becomes quicker to adjust than a Bailey type, also the wedge holds the iron in a solid manner than can never be replicated by a Bailey type. Once set the iron stays set, chatter, no such thing!

Roy.

 

[Shrubby]

I prefer the secondus type with a screw lever cap - these are only fitted to a couple of fine smoothers( ECE 111-s and Ulmia equivalent) The wedge type are more common and these offer very solid blade fixing as mentioned.
I find the primus unpredictable in use, and the others very reliable.
Matt

 

[dunbarhamlin]

The reason it has been done to death Vann is because everyone has a different opinion.
It depends on the intended project list, but I'd say block and 7 (or block and 5 1/2 if of less robust stature) for starters. The block will do the work of the skinnies, and a 7 is plenty versatile - the downside would be for smoothing mobile stuff, as it won't get into smaller hollows - but nor will it make them.
Of course, the easy solution is just to get all of them. There's always room for more green paint in the world.

 

[Henning]

Beeing the complete newbie that i am, may i ask why you prefer the wedge?

Those new to wooden planes with a wedge normally have considerable difficulty in adjusting the iron, it can be most frustrating!
With practise, and a suitable mallet, the skill can be learned and it becomes quicker to adjust than a Bailey type, also the wedge holds the iron in a solid manner than can never be replicated by a Bailey type. Once set the iron stays set, chatter, no such thing!

Roy.

I prefer the secondus type with a screw lever cap - these are only fitted to a couple of fine smoothers( ECE 111-s and Ulmia equivalent) The wedge type are more common and these offer very solid blade fixing as mentioned.
I find the primus unpredictable in use, and the others very reliable.
Matt

Thanks both!

I can see that a wedge is much more secure, but i usually end up like this whenever i try to adjust the shoulder plane i have with a wedge.

That said, full of inspiration from this forum i took my Stanley SB3 and my newly aquired ECE and planed down a good 6mm. from an inlay for a door. (Mind you, it was pine, soft, but with a good few knots) and it worked out pretty well considering the skill-level.
So... I have decided to dig out the shoulder plane for an odd job and try again. I didn't know you used a mallet on them before i saw it here , though, so i'm probably a little better off this time around.
I'll try and do some pic's of my use and progress.

Thanks again!

 

[Digit]

Tapping the toe and heel of a woody for adjustment is like riding a bike, once you've cracked it you wonder what the problem was.

Roy.

 

[matthewwh]

Tapping the toe and heel of a woody for adjustment is like riding a bike, once you've cracked it you wonder what the problem was.
Roy.

Very good analogy.

 

[Caruso]

I have that adjustable block plane from E.C.Emmerich but I am not really happy with it. First of all it has a very wide throat and it is not adjustable. Secondly the iron does not stay put when doing any serious work. There is no way I can tighten the lever cap enough to make it stay put. Thirdly I think the adjuster is flimsy with a very big backlash.

Now I only use it for chamfering edges. When I need a block plane for any other use I use my Veritas LA block plane.

 

[Henning]

I have that adjustable block plane from E.C.Emmerich but I am not really happy with it. First of all it has a very wide throat and it is not adjustable. Secondly the iron does not stay put when doing any serious work. There is no way I can tighten the lever cap enough to make it stay put. Thirdly I think the adjuster is flimsy with a very big backlash.

Now I only use it for chamfering edges. When I need a block plane for any other use I use my Veritas LA block plane.

Thanks!

I have noticed that the small one i have is a little flimsy and have decided to rather get either Lie Nielsen or Clifton planes instead of E.C.E.
I will not get any plane until i can use the ones i have though, which might be some time ahead...
I have some pic's i will try and upload tonight of some of my others.

 

[Henning]

Lagging a little behind, here

I blame it all on the upcoming holiday

Enough talk already, here's some pic's:

My new multitool for woodworking which started this thread...
Very happy with it, although i have to be very careful not to change the setting of the blade while i use it:

And, since that was a success, and since i seem to be on "the slope" good anyway, i decided to get out the old planes, which is something i got for free for a job i did once. Here's one:

Here's what i used it for:

I have a sinking feeling i will be broke for the next decade...

Thank you to all who have offered great advice, i'm sure i'll keep asking stupid newbie questions some time ahead and i appreciate everyones patience