How would you stop knife crime?

[Jake]

It is even narrower than that - the current wave is predominantly a London thing.

 

[Digit]

According to Question Time on Thursday Jake you are more than twice as likely to be stabbed in Glasgow than London.

 

[Jake]

According to Question Time on Thursday Jake you are more than twice as likely to be stabbed in Glasgow than London.

Fair enough - it isn't as reported, though. I'll make that - in the South of England, it is overwhelmingly a London problem.

 

[Digit]

I think it's probably due to reporting based on reader consumption Jake. Scottish papers report Scotland and English papers, England.
It was news to me as well.

Roy.

 

[Wood3434]

I would make the law so tough that people who use knifes would think twice about doing so. I would make the law if anyone carries a knife and is caught doing so then they get a hand or finger chopped off. If a person is caught stabbing someone to death then it is instant death (life for a life).
Ofcourse if this horrible crime is caught on CCTV then there is no excuse to avoid the punishment of the crime, there is no more proof than through the lense of a camera. Common Government see sence and get tough. The government is a joke these days when crime is involved.

Darren

 

[Digit]

You're one brave man Darren, get your tin hat on and duck!

Roy

 

[Rich]

I think a better heading for this thread would have been:

"How would you PREVENT knife crime?" this would probably invoke a different set of answers and mindset, as a maintainence engineer of many years standing I can state with authority that preventative maintenance is far cheaper and more cost effective in the long term than curative/reactive maitenance.
I have no solid idea of the answers to the problem, but starting from ante knife crime as opposed to post knife crime will, I am sure produce an answer in some way, even though the decisions may be harsh, I think we would all agree, tough action is definitely needed.

Regards,
Rich.

 

[big soft moose]

when i was a lad (which wasnt that long ago) most of my contempories carried pen knives or lock back knives - but we used them for cutting things , rather than for cutting each other.

Same experience here - I still always carry a knife

I've also carried a pocket knife for 60 years and have yet to stab anyone!

Three categories of seriousness are presented in the guideline and for each a suggested starting point and sentencing range are set:

· For the least serious form of the offence (where the weapon was carried but not used to threaten or cause fear) the starting point is a high level community order and the range for sentencing is from a high level fine up to 12 weeks imprisonment.

So PowerTool, big soft moose, & Digit, given the comments in the last quote above, how can you justify carrying a knife? I don't ask as a criticism as I also carry a pocket knife but a colleague at work has stopped doing so because of the worry of being 'found out' and I must admit it's something I've been thinking about lately.

regards

Brian

i cant speak for the others but in my case I only carry a knife during the day at work , not if i go for a drink in the eving or anything like that (Btw you have the quotes the wrong way round mine was the top one) and given that the contents of my truck also feature axe handles, crowbars, billhooks chainsaws, and other far more lethal implements i very much doubt that the bizzies are going to think that a lockback knife with a 2" blade is the number one concern.

Also if i did get into a fight - ie if i was attacked - i would not use the knife in self defence as this would be just asking for trouble. Though being a double blackbelt (Tae Kwon Do and Wing Chun) i could probably do far more damage with my hands and feet anyway.

 

[ronhayles]

having followed this thread through from the beginning it strikes me that if just a few guys like you cannot agree, what hope is there that a whole Parliament can come up with a concensus for dealing with this issue. My only imput is to say that if you dont belong to a gang, go drinking or indulge in drugs, be out late at night on your own , dont carry a knife then you have a very fair change of never being a victim or a perpetrator.

 

[Digit]

I wish someone had told me that earlier, I've twice been attacked by drunks.

Roy.

 

[davegw]

I wish someone had told me that earlier, I've twice been attacked by drunks.

Roy.

Drunks with Knives Roy? just curious, I know (from personal experience) that being attacked is bad enough on it's own.

Dave

 

[RogerS]

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Also if i did get into a fight - ie if i was attacked - i would not use the knife in self defence as this would be just asking for trouble. Though being a double blackbelt (Tae Kwon Do and Wing Chun) i could probably do far more damage with my hands and feet anyway.

:lol:

Reminds me of a work colleague. Also a black belt in a marshal art. Also very very bald.

Happened he'd had a bad day from the time he got up, rowed with the missus, trains cancelled, stroppy work colleagues, bad time with one of the partners, difficult clients, late working...all in all the proverbial 'day in ****'. Gets off the late train home and starts walking home. Towards him on the other side of the road is a crowd of drunk ferals. They start shouting at him..usual stuff 'Kojak' etc. Like you, he knows that he cannot stirke the first blow.....

....so they keep walking towards him and taunting him, then they cross the road and walk towards him on the same pavement. Secretly he is wishing 'Oh please....oh please....hit me...give me the excuse'. As he said to me afterwards, he'd never felt so frustrated in his life as, through their drunken stupor and crock bravado, a glimmer of realisation prevailed that this guy in front of them was showing no signs of fear or backing down or giving way...and so they slunk off..much to his great disappointment.

 

[Digit]

How do I justify carrying knife Rog! Easy! I find it a very useful tool to have to hand.
Not drunks with knives Dave, no. The one guy who stabbed me used a woodworking chisel.
One of the drunks, I discovered later was a Karate instructor, and as he found out alcohol can even overcome karate training, I flattened him!

Roy.

 

[ronhayles]

nobody told you, digit!!! or was it case of teenittus where you couldn't or wouldn't hear. My parents told me that if I went looking for trouble I would find it and if I bumped into it to turn and walk away. During my seventy plus years I have not been in one single fight, been assaulted or even punched and that included an extended three year national service. Mind you..my missus says I go out looking like a down and out so maybe that is the secret.

 

[Digit]

Never had to look for trouble in my life Ron, it's always managed to find me without any help at all! :lol:

Roy.

 

[ronhayles]

I know what you mean...I have a brother who has a magnet for trouble and he thrives on it. I just like a simple uncomplicated life. Physical conflict never settled an argument It invariably leads to ongoing conflict in my experience. It is beyond me the sort of anger that drives anyone to stick a knife into another human being simply because they are different in some way or have a different opinion. I would never offer an opinion on how to solve knife crime for that reason.

 

[Digit]

I just like a simple uncomplicated life.

I'd love it!
Just to give you an idea, I've been married for 38 years. The photographer buggered the pics at the wedding, when a first child was born I'd done some practice runs to the hospital just to make sure that I knew the route.
Got lost on the night.
At three months the doc described her as having a head cold, pneumonia!
I was made redundant three times.
Been burgled twice.
Had a drug dealer move in next door.
Been threatened with court action for non-payment of rates which had been paid.
Had 11 cars hit, including two write offs, every one 'tother drivers fault.
Had bailiffs around for non-payment of income tax, the tax office had lost the paper work.
Had debt collectors around over money owed to a pop music club, and I hate pop music and had no account with them.
In addition not one single dealing with HP companies Police, Council or Government agency has been anything but long winded and time consuming.
I sent a driving licence off to the DVLA to change my address, took three years to get the damn thing back, apparently I didn't exist!
Even the consultant who was to operate on me for Prostate cancer died before he could operate!
I'd LOVE an uncomplicated life, mind you the boredom would probably finish me!

Roy.

 

[big soft moose]

and if I bumped into it to turn and walk away..

these days that would probably get you a knife in the back .... I've never gone looking for trouble in my life but if it finds me my inclination is to put it on its back asap where it cant do me any damage.

(most recently last october 4 little scrotes whacked up on blue wkd and lighter gas who tried to mug me in a tescos carpark - it took me all of 30 seconds to trash all four of them, which hopefully taught them a thing or two )

 

[Digit]

And you weren't arrested? Sounds like an outbreak of common sense locally.

Roy.

 

[RogerS]

Never had to look for trouble in my life Ron, it's always managed to find me without any help at all! :lol:

Roy.

That's because your Welsh?

Sorry ....couldn't resist it :wink: