This is one long topic, but what is a scrub plane? All I have gathered is they do not require electricity.
Am I right in thinking that with “fail to deliver” you mean that beginners can’t use L-N planes properly? I have experience of only one L-N plane but it is excellently made and most certainly delivers.That's generally the case with most of the LN/LV planes on ebay ...
They get bought by aspirational beginners on the promise of instant results outa the box, but fail to deliver.
Some can't - or never get around to it perhaps. Certainly plenty of mint condition ones on ebay.Am I right in thinking that with “fail to deliver” you mean that beginners can’t use L-N planes properly? I have experience of only one L-N plane but it is excellently made and most certainly delivers.
Time you widened your horizons.
Just rereading Nicholson and was pleased to find my long 26" woody is technically called a "long plane".
I posted earlier about planing 14' long stuff.
Am I right in thinking that with “fail to deliver” you mean that beginners can’t use L-N planes properly? I have experience of only one L-N plane but it is excellently made and most certainly delivers.
I did it the easy way; hand planed two sides and machined planed the other two. You would probably hit on the same solution if you had the same job - hand planing isn't that difficult, don't talk yourself out of it!....
If someone came on here and said "what should I do if I want to build 14' long stuff for a house, I would tell them to build a longer bench and do the bulk work with a power planer ....
My thruppence worth is beware
Beware woody hipsters who laud old specialist planes, which no longer have a use in the real world.
I've used them consistently for more than 50 years, earning a living, as and when needed, which is often. No big deal. Couldn't manage without them.To my knowledge, except for a small group of reproducers and repairers, there's not much of a need for *any* planes in the real world.
I use both. A long sliding table (on a combi machine) was one of the most useful things I ever bought...... sliding table saw vs. going to hand tools .....
Scrub plane much more useful than a jack for rough work and remove stuff much faster!
I have never used a scrub plane on wet wood or 14' beams. That's it I'm outa here, is there an ignore function? Yes there is! Button pressed!For swan above, this is where things went sideways. It's bad advice - we've narrowed it down to potentially wet wood or 14 foot beams.
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0no 14' chapel windows to replicate,
I've used them consistently for more than 50 years, as and when needed, which is often. No big deal. Couldn't manage without them.
Talking of long stuff I also had 10no 14' chapel windows to replicate, which entailed 20 3x3" 12' long stiles. Easier to straighten on one or two sides by hand and the other sides through the machine. I use both. A long sliding table (on a combi machine) was one of the most useful things I ever bought
I'm sure you're aware that I don't do bloggery, as you call it. I'm not the least bit interested in selling a method for modifying a smoothing plane to work as a scrubber. I just happened to have a smoother that was a bit of a dog, and a job where a scrubber might be useful, so roughly half an hour's tinkering modified the dog into something that worked passably well to scrub up wood quickly before I got at it with either my jack or try plane, or it might have been both - can't recall.The instructions given often to modify stanley 4s and now a stanley 78 are somewhat maddening (they would work if you were living in a vacuum and had a job to complete, but are just the same fodder that sellers or someone would do as a "something for nothing" gimmick when something better is widely available).
But, that bloggery sells -
took you a lot longer than me. I hit it days ago.I have never used a scrub plane on wet wood or 14' beams. That's it I'm outa here, is there an ignore function? Yes there is! Button pressed!
Jacob, I don't claim that my modified smoother is better than a genuine scrubber, but it does a reasonable job.Well - a modified 4 will do it but doesn't make as good a scrub as the scrub does with a much narrower blade and tighter radius.
Power planer not always a good alternative of dirty surfaces as you very quickly end up with blunt blades.
I'm sure you're aware that I don't do bloggery, as you call it. I'm not the least bit interested in selling a method for modifying a smoothing plane to work as a scrubber. I just happened to have a smoother that was a bit of a dog, and a job where a scrubber might be useful, so roughly half an hour's tinkering modified the dog into something that worked passably well to scrub up wood quickly before I got at it with either my jack or try plane, or it might have been both - can't recall.
My electric hand held plane, by the way, doesn't clog up the extraction hose at all - I just let the chips fly, usually outdoors, which does result in quite a bit of sweeping up I suppose, ha, ha. Slainte.
So now I've reached this point in the thread and lost the will to live, the conclusion is that a scrub plane is useless.
I ought to have pointed out that my one and only LN is the 507 Rebating Block Plane. It is wonderfully well made and its performance is only limited by the skills of whoever is wielding it. I've no doubt that if I had e.g. an LN No 5, I would be as happy with it as I am with my Veritas LAJ.From the point of view of someone who can make a tool that's within or better than LN's specs, they are spectacularly good for their price. All one has to do is sharpen them and perhaps round over the tip of a cap iron.
Their fitness for use isn't the reason they're not used. The companies (both of them) are stellar. What they teach in video is for their markets, and they are more than courteous.
I can make a plane that's within their spec (I used their bronze 4 as the mark to beat for feel with infills), but to be able to do it at their wholesale cost? Not a chance. Not even in most parts of the USA - LN is an anomaly of craft and modernity mixed due to where they exist (maine), which is a separate culture.
They are almost singly responsible for the sudden notion that clifton's standards and customer service from afar aren't suitable for premium tools.
I won't lie and say I use their planes at this point (just sold off my last two at covid anomalous auction results), but I do recall as a beginner that I didn't get a refinished stanley that came close to them ...really, ever. Those standards aren't necessary for someone who can make a plane work to their standard, but for a beginner who just wants a tool that works, they're unmatched.
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