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Gogs

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I've lurked around the forum for a few weeks but decided it's time to get involved now which is really going to mean asking a few questions.

So in advance of that, thanks for your time and generous responses and incidentally as a member of other forums I can genuinely say I'm really impressed by the lack of sarcastic and unhelpful rubbish from experienced users. We've all been beginners at something and it doesn't do the soul any good to get shot down by arrogant, know it all so and so's. Good on you lot.

Here is imy first question then:

I'm living in Switzerland (close to Geneva), can anyone give me pointers towards local suppliers of wood and tools. I know my local DIY stores (such as they are in Switzerland) and I know companies like Axminster will deliver to Switzerland (used the search function already) but I'm in the dark about buying wood and quality gear. The French border is just a few km away so some parts of France would be an option too.

I'm just moving house and have a new 20m2 basement room which is crying out for a workshop plus a 10m2 wooden cabanon (shed) going up in the garden. Help me out please.

Thanks
Gogs
 
Welcome Gogs - sorry can't help you out with suppliers but would love to see pics of your workshop when finished!

Cheers

Ian
 
Welcome aboard Mr. Sorry cant help much but I think their are some French contributors on here.
Mark
 
Hullo Gogs,

Welcome to you from another Brit expat living in Suisse. Good 'ere innit?

I'm just outside Basel, so I'm on the other side of the "roestigraben" from you, German not French speaking, sorry.

Apart from Coop DIY, Migros Haus & Garten, and Jumbo you'll have to search around locally for suppliers I'm afraid. After some 20+ years here I do now have a very good tool supplier locally (Meier Handwerker Centrum in Liestal - also a big Festool dealer if your wallet is that deep) and a small local timber yard in Rheinfelden. But both of these are at least three hours drive from you, so hardly local!

I think you'll have to do the same as I did when I first got here and start off with the above DIY Emporia and when they haven't got something just ask - at least sometimes you'll get a helpful assistant there who knows the locality and can put you on to a more "professional" supplier. Note however that at least up this end of the country, such specialist dealers (catering mainly to tradesmen) only tend to be open Mon to Fri, about 07.30 to 17.00 (16.00 on Fridays) and are often closed for an hour or so over lunch.

But personally I find the above DIY places pretty good for mainstream tools and there are often special offers which compare well with UK prices, but I must admit that these places do vary quite a lot from branch to branch - for example the local Migros in Liestal is useless but another Migros Do-It about 30 mins drive away in Basel is much better. I also have 2 Coops nearby too, both of which are good. But one "strange" thing to remember about Switzerland is that there are quite wide differences between Kantons in all sorts of aspects (school holidays and taxes to name but two off the top of my head), and as both Migros and Coop are a form of Kanton-based "Genossenschaften" you'll find quite big differences in special offer prices and ranges of tools on offer between 2 branches of the "same" shop - i.e. although they may be quite close to each other geographically they're both "based" in different Kantons.

Another thing to look out for are big German DIY chains such as Obi (there are a couple of others whose names escape me for now) some of which have branches in Switzerland (I think Migros has a financial interest in Obi, at least in part of Switzerland) . For example in Basel (useless to you I know) there's a very big Obi with a good range of tools at good prices. Also look out for a German company called Wurth (with an umlaut over the U) who seem to have several branches in Switzerland and who cater very much for the tradesman and even have reps on the road calling on businesses - I've bought from them as a private individual quite OK - but the same opening hours caveat as above though.

And finally don't forget your local Aldi and Lidl. You'll often find notices posted on this Forum advising members that Aldi or Lidl in UK have a special offer on various tools items. It doesn't always work but sometimes I've found my local Aldi or Lidl have exactly the same item on offer, and funnily enough the UK£ price quoted on this Forum is often the same number in CHF - i.e. a saving of approx 25% compared to UK pricing.

But you're right, apart from buying ply and MDF in the DIY places, I have only bought "real timber" (the little I have needed to buy so far) from a local specialist timber yard (which took me about 5 years to get on to by the way!).

Finally don't forget it's easy for you to go over the border into France for your shopping (same as for me going into Germany) and as someone has already said, there are members here based in France who should at least be able to give you a steer as far as the big French chains are concerned.

And last of all, I too have bought from Axminster (excellent service - usual disclaimers)) and of course we have the advantage of not paying their UK 20% VAT. BUT there are a couple of points here - if your Axi package weighs more than 2 KGs then the UK Post Office won't accept it and it has to go by Courier (usually TNT). In the past with Axi parcels coming by post (before this daft rule) sometimes I've paid the Swiss 8% VAT plus Swiss import duty, sometimes not. It seemed to be just "the luck of the draw". But now bloody TNT makes a charge (additional to the Swiss VAT and import duty if applicable) for "handling" the packge through Customs, and they seem to do that whether they've actually put the package through Customs or not. This is not Axi's fault, just the bloody rip-off Couriers. But for example, on a recent order to Axi totalling UK£ 106 (which included £32 for carriage) I then got a bill from TNT for another CHF 29 odd for "handling" which did NOT include Swiss VAT and import duty - it wasn't charged! So you need to be careful with all the UK suppliers when it comes to these hidden charges. Sometimes you're better off doing mail order from Germany (if you can handle the language).

Thats about all I can say re buying in Switzerland. I hope it helps you a bit.

Any other Qs send me a PM by all means, I'll help if I can.

BTW I "faddle" with both wood and metal, neither of which I'm very good at, and I'm also rather a slow worker (partly because I am slow anyway and partly because I sometimes spend quite long periods away from home). I'm definitely NOT of the standard of so many of the members you see on here but my time here has been very pleasant and useful and the vast majority do seem to be very knowledgeable and very very helpful, so I hope you enjoy your time here as much as I have.

It's great to have another Swiss UKW Forum member.

Cheers

AES
 
@Steve (Maskery) and Myfordman:

Thanks gents - I had quite a bit to say (not unusual!) and was actually typing my own post to Gogs as you gents posted yours.

Cheers

AES
 
Hi there,

I spent 10 months working in Zurich (actually meant to be going back out at some stage for some snagging) and found that the coop bau & hobby was pretty good :)


We also found a company called Balteshwiler in Laufenburg when we were trying to find a supplier of osmo oil, it's a massive place but they were really, really helpful and looked like they could supply pretty much anything.

Can't say I miss the prices though :shock: :D

Cheers James
 
Hullo Tim,

You're right about the prices here!!!!

I agree about Coop Bau & Hobby. Thanks for the info on Baltenswiler (guessed spelling) as this is one I didn't know and Laufenberg isn't so far away from me.

Are you coming back for "snogging" or "snagging"?

;-)

AES
 
Definately snAgging :wink:

Glad it's been helpful, pretty sure it's spelt as I've got it in my post but worse case just look for osmo suppliers in switzerland and it should come up in a web search.

I have to say I did love it out there, amazing sights and scenery, and the work was pretty enjoyable as well :)
 
OK Tim, I'll believe you about snAgging ;-)

Thanks, I'll check them out through the Osmo dealers website and bookmark them (I haven't really needed it - yet) but thought Osmo isn't available here.

You didn't find any suppliers of Swarfega hand cleaner and Duck Oil here did you? I've been looking for a long time with no joy - it's surprising how much "normal" stuff isn't imported here.

AES
 
Hiya Peter,

Yes I do work round have worked around Evesham, I've worked for Gordon Russells, Mike Gilder and currently work for Symm over in Pershore ( although I'm now on site so mainly down in London ). I have met you at your open day a couple of years ago but I don't think we've worked together.
I do work with Howard Butler though that knows you, he was over in Switzerland for a while as well, and we probably know a few other people in the area, it's quite a small world round here :D
 
Hi Tim
I worked with big Mick Gilder when he first left GR he was subbing with me at Fine Furniture Designs in Honey Bourne, I later trained one of his apprentices James Amos on City and Guilds when they worked opposite Jeremy Higsons workshop. I haven’t seen Mick for at least ten years.

Howard Butler did his BTEC national diploma in furniture design under me when I was running the local furniture department. He was then working for Fine Furniture Designs run by Trevor Ballinger and Alan Harvey both talented X Gordon Russell makers.

I also trained several Colin Angle Apprentices when he was employing over 100 makers, as I understand it Colin in now production manager at Symm is Howard workshop foreman :?: From what I have seen Symm do some very nice work =D>
Small world indeed, sorry I forgot you came to my open day :oops: I am better with names from twenty years ago than two. If you are passing pop in for a cuppa.
Cheers Peter
 
Very small world!

As far as I know Mike's doing well, haven't spoken to him since I left about 5 years ago but I'm still friendly with a couple of the lads that work for him.

Colin's now one of the directors of Symm, so Chris Driver is now running the Pershore workshop. Mark Reay and Robin Turner are the foremen there, both were working for Colin Angell when he had his own place. Howards on the bench but I think he's a bit disillusioned with it at the moment, he's got a hell of a lot of creative talent and it's not really being used with the work we do at Symm.

No worries for not remembering me, my real name's James and it was literally just a quick handshake and hello before I had to disappear. I'll definately pop over at some stage, I wouldn't mind having a little browse of some of the tools you have for sale :D

Sorry to the original poster for hijacking your thread :oops:
 
Hi James
Please say hello to Mark I went to school with him but didn't know who he worked for now.
Please do come and try out some goodies just ring first if possible, also we have the Canadian Guys from Veritas coming to us for a training afternoon on Wednesday September the 25th open to all, should be good.
Apologies from me as well for hijacking the post.
Cheers Peter
 
Firstly, thanks to everyone for your replies and of course to AES. Sorry for not responding immediatley but I'm moving house this week (to that lovely workshop I mentioned before) and there's so much to do and not nearly enough hours in the day. No worries about thread hijacking either!

I should have some time by this weekend to reply thoroughly but thanks for the information and encouragement and I'll take some pictures of the workshop and see about a WIP.

Gogs
 
@Gogs:

No probs with "delayed" reply.

Good luck with the move. I moved to this place in 1993 after 5 house moves between 1985 & 1993 so I know what it's like (I've vowed the only way I'll leave the present address is feet first!).

Envy you the shop though.

Cheers

AES
 

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