Hand cut dovetails in sapele

[D_W]

DW wrote:

Think the dovetails with "visual tension" look like buck teeth, though I'll give Derek credit - he made them as cleanly as they could be made.

You insult me Sir!!

I challenge you to dovetail chisels at dawn! :lol:

Who will be your second? Graham, will you sharpen my Wards?

Regards from Perth

Derek

I'm bringing bucky beaver. He can fly into space and brush his teeth at the same time!

Plus, I'll be able to lay his teeth across the and of the board and use them to mark the dovetails

You know I'm just giving you a yank, the stuff you make is exceptionally clean. I'm just not a krenov worshiper for several reasons, and I can't immediately tell when I run into people who really favor the aesthetics of his stuff because they do vs. the ones who are more like religious followers.

I don't believe dovetails need to be perfectly sized, I think if someone (woodbrains) wants to really make the hand aesthetic, getting skillful at laying them out by eye so that they are almost identically sized but not quite if you look really closely is a pleasant aesthetic. Natural, but without being gawdy. Actually, I think the worst place for the large tails in that design is right in the middle, or on the outside, so I guess that leaves the larger tails looking better if they were between the others.

Still, well executed and a look back lets us know you never allowed yourself to do sloppy work, even before your current "it's derek's work, derek's taste" not "it's derek's work based on someone else's taste" state.

 

[D_W]

Or was it proper English?

I'm American, Graham, and with a math degree. I have no idea what proper English is! I do have one genuine English friend and one genuine Scottish friend over here. I know how to wind them up. Call the English fellow British ("I'm not British! That could be anything!!") and introduce the Scottish fellow to other people as English. But they know more about proper English language than I do by miles, and even if that's not true, they've got me convinced!

 

[G S Haydon]

DW wrote:

Think the dovetails with "visual tension" look like buck teeth, though I'll give Derek credit - he made them as cleanly as they could be made.

You insult me Sir!!

I challenge you to dovetail chisels at dawn! :lol:

Who will be your second? Graham, will you sharpen my Wards?

Regards from Perth

Derek

I would be delighted. I understand Sir prefers a hollow grind, finished on ceramics with a dash of green compound.

 

[Jacob]

Or was it proper English?

I'm American, Graham, and with a math degree. I have no idea what proper English is! I do have one genuine English friend and one genuine Scottish friend over here. I know how to wind them up. Call the English fellow British ("I'm not British! That could be anything!!") and introduce the Scottish fellow to other people as English. But they know more about proper English language than I do by miles, and even if that's not true, they've got me convinced!

In English your 'math degree' is a 'maths degree'. Mathematics is plural.
Most of us would say we were English, Scottish, etc. according to where we were born and brought up, but "British" as a nationality.

 

[D_W]

I think you guys are generally much more tolerant than my English friend. He left 25 years ago and is wired like someone who was in England 25 years ago - time stopped there, and he's rigid!

 

[Paddy Roxburgh]

Or was it proper English?

I'm American, Graham, and with a math degree. I have no idea what proper English is! I do have one genuine English friend and one genuine Scottish friend over here. I know how to wind them up. Call the English fellow British ("I'm not British! That could be anything!!") and introduce the Scottish fellow to other people as English. But they know more about proper English language than I do by miles, and even if that's not true, they've got me convinced!

DW, I think you'll find your degree is in maths not math

EDIT just realised Jacob beat me to it

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

Still, well executed and a look back lets us know you never allowed yourself to do sloppy work, even before your current "it's derek's work, derek's taste" not "it's derek's work based on someone else's taste" state.

Dave

I think that Krenov kindled a love for wood and an awareness of the possibiities that lay within it for many. His aesthetic may not be shared by all, and copies of his work are overdone. There are many who have sought to emulate him without really understanding the subtleties of his designs - often missing the gentle curves and lightness he was able to create. He built a lot, and some of his pieces are mundane ... but some are exquisite.

I never built anything that was a copy of his, and have no desire to do so. I did build a few pieces of furniture that were in the spirit of Krenov, and I do still feel inspired by him.

The drawer I posted earlier was actually built about 8 years ago, and part of an armoire I made for a bedroom at home. The drawer may have been influenced by Krenov, but the rest was arts and crafts.

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[Jacob]

I think you guys are generally much more tolerant than my English friend. He left 25 years ago and is wired like someone who was in England 25 years ago - time stopped there, and he's rigid!

He's a bit of a nationalist then.
Scot nats, Irish nats, Welsh nats all wish to detach themselves from the English for historic reasons; everything the 'British Empire' did to the colonies it first practiced on the Welsh, Irish and Scots, including stealing the land, genocide and 'ethnic cleansing'. They (basically land owners) did it to their own peasants too so the English got a taste of the same.
Which makes an 'English Nationalist' a slightly odd bod - either a land owner or a 'conservative' with a very vague idea of history, or both.

 

[Jacob]

Still, well executed and a look back lets us know you never allowed yourself to do sloppy work, even before your current "it's derek's work, derek's taste" not "it's derek's work based on someone else's taste" state.

Dave

I think that Krenov kindled a love for wood and an awareness of the possibiities that lay within it for many. His aesthetic may not be shared by all, and copies of his work are overdone. There are many who have sought to emulate him without really understanding the subtleties of his designs - often missing the gentle curves and lightness he was able to create. He built a lot, and some of his pieces are mundane ... but some are exquisite.

I never built anything that was a copy of his, and have no desire to do so. I did build a few pieces of furniture that were in the spirit of Krenov, and I do still feel inspired by him.

The drawer I posted earlier was actually built about 8 years ago, and part of an armoire I made for a bedroom at home. The drawer may have been influenced by Krenov, but the rest was arts and crafts.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Very nice Derek. Can't see the Krenov influence in the drawer so I guess you did buck-tooth dovetails?

 

[Jacob]

More buck-tooth dovetails here in urgent need of cosmetic surgery!

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodw ... rob-cosman

 

[Cheshirechappie]

I think you guys are generally much more tolerant than my English friend. He left 25 years ago and is wired like someone who was in England 25 years ago - time stopped there, and he's rigid!

He's a bit of a nationalist then.
Scot nats, Irish nats, Welsh nats all wish to detach themselves from the English for historic reasons; everything the 'British Empire' did to the colonies it first practiced on the Welsh, Irish and Scots, including stealing the land, genocide and 'ethnic cleansing'. They (basically land owners) did it to their own peasants too so the English got a taste of the same.
Which makes an 'English Nationalist' a slightly odd bod - either a land owner or a 'conservative' with a very vague idea of history, or both.

Jacob - please leave politics and your odd interpretation of the very long and complex history of the British Isles out of it. It has nothing whatever to do with dovetails.

 

[Jacob]

We weren't talking about dovetails.

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

More buck-tooth dovetails here in urgent need of cosmetic surgery!

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodw ... rob-cosman

You really would not like my bench then! :lol:

This photo was taken during its build (not inspired by Krenov) ...

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[D_W]

Or was it proper English?

I'm American, Graham, and with a math degree. I have no idea what proper English is! I do have one genuine English friend and one genuine Scottish friend over here. I know how to wind them up. Call the English fellow British ("I'm not British! That could be anything!!") and introduce the Scottish fellow to other people as English. But they know more about proper English language than I do by miles, and even if that's not true, they've got me convinced!

DW, I think you'll find your degree is in maths not math

EDIT just realised Jacob beat me to it

I haven't seen my actual degree in about 17 years, but I'm sure I could dig it out. It says "mathematics on it" and then provides the option that I chose within that.

Guarantee our course literature called every course "math 451" or something similar.

 

[Paddy Roxburgh]

Math is American English, maths is UK/Irish English. Neither is "correct English" as such a thing does not exist. I was just getting into the spirit of the conversation and being a knob.

 

[woodbrains]

Hello,

A link to dovetail making, pins first, a la North Bennet Street School. It is likely to drive Jacob around the twist, I hope! :lol:

http://www.finewoodworking.com/2017/02/ ... =182869533

TBH there is too much chisel paring for my liking, and I don't like people who start the saw on the back stroke, a bit amateurish IMHO. Oh and he has the board far too high in the vice to control, but in the main, the method is more or less OK and proves it can all be done with a PENCIL.

Mike.

 

[Jacob]

Hello,

A link to dovetail making, pins first, a la North Bennet Street School. It is likely to drive Jacob around the twist, I hope! :lol:

http://www.finewoodworking.com/2017/02/ ... =182869533

TBH there is too much chisel paring for my liking, and I don't like people who start the saw on the back stroke, a bit amateurish IMHO. Oh and he has the board far too high in the vice to control, but in the main, the method is more or less OK and proves it can all be done with a PENCIL.

Mike.

Pencil good. I'm all for them.
Sorry couldn't watch the vid - its 38 minutes long!!! and I was bored stiff in the first few seconds. :roll:
OK so it can be done, but I'm not going to bother myself!

 

[D_W]

Math is American English, maths is UK/Irish English. Neither is "correct English" as such a thing does not exist. I was just getting into the spirit of the conversation and being a knob.

That all adds up now. Har har.

You'd be surprised, when we had English students come abroad to my school, they were pretty insistent that "maths" wasn't the right term, especially once they were liquored.

We did tend to get English students who wanted to drink every night, at least the couple I ran into. Daily pub must be a college thing over there with the mid-range schools (I doubt that goes at oxford - but my wife went to anglia polytechnic for a semester and drank her share there), but some of the professors don't go for it and use short-deadline workload to test their students. Not compatible with weeknight drinking!!