If youre an EV owner dont forget to tax your car this month to avoid the £195 car tax heading our way. Even if you car tax isn't due you renew it on the DVLA website using the V5C 11 digit number and get another 12months at £0.
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woodieallen
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I dunno. EV drivers....bloody free-loaders 
Absolutely, a deserving reward considering were not killing everyone with exhaust gasses!I dunno. EV drivers....bloody free-loaders
Lons
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Apart from a few children in the lithium mines.
Lons
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This new model looks interesting.
Absolutely not true, popular media myth.Apart from a few children in the lithium mines.
Well is the future of the EV dead, well according to Musk it could well be with that new Toyota technology.
Lons
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So you are "absolutely" sure of that. Good for you but there are plenty of sources that suggest otherwise. I'm not absolutely sure either way but don't believe it's all fake.
I am not anti EV but I don't own one though I have driven several and carefully considered the options. My circumstances are such that charging and range would cause me few or no issues and I can afford to buy one but until I find the equivalent of my current car in EV form that isn't grossly overpriced, ( there isn't one available only a hybrid model), I won't be changing. I recon the 4000 miles I cover pa makes far more sense in my ICE than a new EV that will take probably another 5 years to offset the manufacturing process not even considering the financial outlay which I would likely never get back.
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If I take the cost of the Hybrid equivalent (the closest EV is even more expensive) and deduct the part ex value of my car I'd need to pay more than £40,000 to change and added to tah would be the 5 year luxury tax total £2125 plus the standar VED applicable from 1st April currently exempt plus the plummeting residul values, I doubt I will live long enough to break even at 4k miles pa
Toyota and BMW are both forging ahead with Hydrogen fuelled systems. Hydrogen does work and is pollution free at the tail pipe as it were. The problems with Hydrogen is the cost of harvesting it, the storage of it and the not to be ignored problems with Hydrogen such as metal embrittlement, very high pressures, nightmare logistics and more.
It really is a non starter.
It's not all fake and they do have children working in the mines in some countries. I watched a documentary a while ago about one of these places and talking with the parents of one family they said they'd had a good week over the last 7 days, working in the mine (the whole family) meant they could eat this week instead of going without. So which is worse, no mine - no child labour - no food or child labour - working in the mine and food on the table??
6:10 deals with Lithium
Entirely your choice.
It really gets down to why youre doing it, if it's to reduce the pollution and save the world then of course you should change, if it's purely financial then you have to carefully consider the options.
In 2017 I changed from a 4.4 litre TDV8 Range Rover to my BMW i3. Definite opposite ends of the pollution scale. The exact same usage resulted in my fuel bill reducing from £130 per week to less than £120 per year, Road Tax from £575 to £0, Servicing from £1800 per year down to £500 for 3 years. Ive had the car now for 8 years with no issues, 120,000 miles on the clock and I would not go back to an ICE vehicle ever. Driving experience, performance, running costs, pollution are far superior to any other vehicle I've owned and I have had nice cars in my past - Audi, Mercedes, VW, JLR etc. My wifes car we changed in 2023 to an MG5, an EV supposedly a budget EV but it's far from budget when you try one. Well equipped, 250 mile range, rapid charging, nicely nailed together and a brilliant price. Win - win. You don't have to spend above the magical £40k there are some very good EV's under that.
Lons
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Good for you. We've had this conversation before where I stated quite clearly that the MGs I've had experience of were a heap of cr*p inmo. The fact you're happy with them is also your choice and you're welcome to it. I wopuldn';t have one as a gift.
You also at least have admitted the fact that children work in the lithium mines where before you stated "Absolutely not true, popular media myth." so make your mind up as that comment was clearly untrue.
You also at least have admitted the fact that children work in the lithium mines where before you stated "Absolutely not true, popular media myth." so make your mind up as that comment was clearly untrue.
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All of the motoring press rated the MG5 really highly, Cleveley, theyre mobile EV techs have done colossal mileage in theirs and have had no problems. Theyre on Youtube, have look. There are quite a few sub £40k EV's now from BYD, Volvo and others.
Sorry, I thought you said child abuse which is what I was saying isnt true. The Lithium from these areas is only a small amount compared to the world demand.
Lons
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What the motoring press says doesn't interest me too much, my personal experience driving an MG that my daughter had on loan as well as inspecting others in the showrooms and having test drives are what confirms my opinion. You see it differently and it suits you but one size doesn't fit all.
I don't want one of the sub £40k EVs, none I've seen appeal much and certainly no where near my current car and that's what I base it on. I did have a drive of a Volvo EV and wasn't impressed though I've never particularly liked Volvos. BTW the only Volvo EV that's under £40k are the EX30 base models with a small battery, add a few extras to that and it's over £40k while the Ultra model still only 2wd starts at £42k. Comparing apple with pears.
So you go your way and I'll go mine.
I didn't mention abuse though mining isn't good for anyone's health least of all kids. They stopped sending kids down the pits in this country a very long time ago for that very reason though it's understandable the families involved are grateful for the income it changes nothing as does your comment that it's only a small amount which isn't justification.
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Ev’s. Given my lol mileage an ev could be good
However my worries are maintaining it and the question of battery life and replacment
I would have to be looking in the used range, hence the concerns
However my worries are maintaining it and the question of battery life and replacment
I would have to be looking in the used range, hence the concerns
I was merely highlighting that there were more EV's on the market now at less than £40k
Absolutely, it's a benefit for me too, more chargers available, another ICE driver paying taxes on fuel and of course road tax, keep up the good work
Agreed but perhaps mining is less damaging to health than starving?
I suppose it depends if youre a bottles half full or bottles half empty kind of guy. Your "Apart from a few children in the lithium mines." comment didn't really portray the true picture. And you seem to have double standards happy to point the finger at me driving an EV with no consideration for the children in the mines yet youre happy to drive an ICE car effecting the health of everyone and the climate. I wonder which does most harm, the children in the small percentage of mines or people driving ICE vehicles?
Low mileage isnt an issue, theyre very capable of doi9ng high mileage.
Hoiw many EV drivers have you heard from needing a battery replacement? The ONLY EV's that are know to have a relatively short battery life are early Nissan Leaf's due to poor thermal management and rapid charging. Most manufacturers give an 8 year warranty on batteries which should speak volumes for their confidence in the battery life. My BMW EV is currently on 103,000 miles, 8 years old and is showing no signs of battery deterioration, it still has the same range when fully charged as when it was new.
Lons
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I have no issue with you driving your cheap Chinese cr*p,. that's your business, whatever floats your boat but you clearly feel the need to keep justifying it so carry on fella.
As the son of a miner I can assure you that lung disease and all that goes with it is not at all trivial. I have no doubt your decision to change your poluting V8 TDI to an i3 clearly made sense, my smaller TDI covering 4000 miles pa doesn't and in a rural environment makes little differece.
Anyway we're at opposite poles so I won't engage further and as I've said several times I'll buy an EV when it's right which at the minute it isn't.
By, have a great life I'm sure you're one of those shaking your head and fist every time an ICE goes by.
As the son of a miner I can assure you that lung disease and all that goes with it is not at all trivial. I have no doubt your decision to change your poluting V8 TDI to an i3 clearly made sense, my smaller TDI covering 4000 miles pa doesn't and in a rural environment makes little differece.
Anyway we're at opposite poles so I won't engage further and as I've said several times I'll buy an EV when it's right which at the minute it isn't.
By, have a great life I'm sure you're one of those shaking your head and fist every time an ICE goes by.
Thanks for the info on batteries
I could never get a clear answer on who pays for replacement or how long they last
I could never get a clear answer on who pays for replacement or how long they last
Nope, not at all, it sure aint crap as the worlds press will affirm.
Like the small amount of lithium from the countries with not the best record for children in mines?
No problem at all
Nope, I just snigger every time I see the cost of a litre of fuel and you lot getting mugged at the pumpsBy, have a great life I'm sure you're one of those shaking your head and fist every time an ICE goes by.
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