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I have a bay window, it has a flat roof sheeted with lead.
As the house is 200 years old I'm consious the lead is a bit frail.
Currently its watertight (I hope!)

I was thinking in overlaying the lead with EPDM as a sort of belt & braces.
Pros & cons, chaps???

PS:never used the stuff before.
 
The flat part has a few dips and puddles develop (less than 5mm deep) when it rains.
What would be my ideal is some self leveling compound I could just pour on.
Paint on roof seals would not sort this.

The edge of the lead work has a nice raised edge except for where the water is supposed to run off at one side.
Generally it works well...........its the puddles that are worrying me.
 
Few thoughts:
- EPDM needs to be adhered to the sublayer, the standard waterbased adhesive says timber only, you'd have to use the contact adhesive all over, would be a little more costly. You also have to make sure it sticks ok, the lead will have oxidized over the years so I'd worry about how well it would stick.
- EPDM is not great at point loads so you'd also need to make sure there were no pointy bits of lead, although easily remedied with a hammer.
- EPDM will happily sit underwater (they use is as a pond liner) so long as low points don't have standing water against brick work puddles are not an issue.
- The lead has good scrap value, we had a front bay window roof redone, took £100 worth of lead off it.
- Joints are any roofs undoing, if you're going to do it, use one sheet and fold and stick the corners etc. If you will need to cut and make joints i'd not do it myself.

F.
 
I have two such bay windows, in similar-sounding condition to yours and have done quite a bit of leadwork elsewhere (it's tricky but satisfying to work with).

I would leave it well alone unless it is leaking. If it needs replacing, I'd choose lead to replace it every time - should last 100+ years if done correctly.

If you do remove the lead, you're likely to liberate a lot of (white) dust (from underneath) which is worth trying not to ingest or spread around. I'd certainly look to improve the insulation if re-roofing.

Cheers, W2S

PS I certainly would not put anything on top of the lead
PPS Small puddles are really not a problem
 
Would a coat of Acropol/Flexacryl/Cromopol work as a temporary fix?


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Thanks chaps
will forget the EPDM
Still a bit worried about pin holes in the areas that puddle, i might give the flat part (that cannot be seen) a coat of bitumen.
 
another reason to forget the edpm. it only has an 8 year warranty when exposed to the elements.

Nothing to stop you laying another sheet of lead over the low spots and (very) carefully melting the two together with a blow lamp.
 
I've successfully repaired holes in lead sheet with gas pipe... and a blowlamp and some plumbing flux. And that was in the pouring rain too. The trick is only a little heat and drip the lead pipe into the hole.

But if it really needs it, do replace it with fresh lead sheet - by far the most environmentally friendly way, and it will see you out, for certain. And your kids, probably, too. :)
 
I would rip off the uncle ned and check out the timber / or whatever the construction is beneath. This could be in a sorry state if there has been any water ingress. If you have never had a brush with wet or dry rot you should rejoice in the fact that you don't know what you've missed, it's bluddy awful stuff that never really goes away with simple fixes, its always got to be done thoroughly, with maximum care and with the right products used properly, which costs. The trouble is, some guys find it, go over it and don't mention it because they don't want the additional price implications to their work timetable and the customers budget. They keep it in the dark and then some poor zod gets to harvest the stress years later, that's why i think you should always check out the structure beneath these types of problem areas where water ingress can be involved, the potential for stress (bodged by others) is out of all proportion to what seems obvious.

Once you give the structure a good clean bill of health, you can progress to protect it.

Cuprinol 5 star original every time in my book, not the water based rubbish they sell these days..

First off, there is no difference between EPDM and pond liner as far as I could discern. One keeps water in, under extreme exterior conditions and the other keeps water out in the exact same extreme conditions. It just depends whether you are under water or on top of it as I see it. The cost differential is daft in my opinion, I roofed a massive shed/chalet workshop in pond liner about ten years ago for about a quarter of the cost of EPDM and it still looks and functions as good as new. Mind you there is no foot traffic on it so..?
To prepare a flat surface (even if it is not level) for such a membrane style finish, I would look to my tiling industries cement based flexible tanking systems. They are quick setting specifically designed to adhere to just about every construction material that can flex, in both interior or exterior applications. You can also use them in a thickbed method if necessary to take out voids etc and therefore you are using just one product to get over multiple filling and leveling problems. They are also mega waterproof, smooth surfaced when cured and stable/ flexible and not prone to cracking. How you fix down the membrane is up to you but at least the most difficult structural and cosmetic work will have been done to your desired high standard and you should be able to make the job of fitting the membrane easy and as simple as wallpapering a flat surface.

Hope that helps

I've just drunk two (or was it three) cans of Heineken typing that little rant, I must stop posting when getting half pizzed.... :eek:ccasion5:
 
lurker":69miwv0j said:
Thanks chaps
will forget the EPDM
Still a bit worried about pin holes in the areas that puddle, i might give the flat part (that cannot be seen) a coat of bitumen.


I seriously wouldn't worry about anything bad in the areas that puddlle - seriously, I'd leave well alone and the lead will outlast you!

Cheers, W2S
 
regarding pond liner and edpm.....
By the way its Extra Damp Proof Membrane.
So its sold as eDPm not ePDm. it has a warranty life of 8 to 10 years, and it might last longer if youre lucky.

Pond liner comes in two types. EDPM and Butyl rubber.

Butyl rubber is more expensive but is usually sold with a 30 year warranty and will always outlast that so you can see how much difference there is between two products that at first seem the same thing.

Lead comes with a 300 year warranty and lasts till the end of time.
So the only decisions you need to make is how long will the property be your concern and how often do you want to work on it.
 

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