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Thanks for posting the videos NikNak. Ours friends car is in the video near the end.
Brilliant. Presumably the chargers will now be uprooted and sent to the Gulag for fifteen years, or have their leads tied behind their backs and shot !Just found this rather amousing story
https://www.vice.com/en/article/akv...gers-hacked-tell-users-putin-is-a-richardhead
My EV experience:
I’ve been driving 100% electric only cars since 2017 and we are now a 2 EV household.
I’ve had the lowest depreciation of any car I’ve ever owned with my Nissan Leaf which I got to help my saving towards my Tesla and on the “why wait” principle.
Bought 2017 for £8k Leafs do have a battery life issue see my other post for why so with 60k on the clock the battery and its price had dropped. My cost of ownership:
service /maintenance £275 (suspension bar in car Vs pothole challenge) no service needed. Insurance mot tyres etc = petrol car. Sold 2021 £5.5k. So 4.5 yrs total variable cost pa £600. With all depreciation and repairs added, I’ve never owned a car old or newish that’s been less than that and I’m the old git that has my data going back to 1990.
Over the time I used it (60k to 90k on the clock) it’s range dropped from 75m to 50). If i’d kept it, I’d have shelled out for the battery replacement equivalent to a new engine which was 8k and would have put it up to 185m range. Fuel savings would have gone towards that. I’ve not counted fuel savings as reduction in costs as they were towards my Tesla savings fund.
I sold the Nissan to a chap in London. He said it’s massively cheaper for him to hire a petrol car for odd out of London trip and 50m range is perfect for everything else (a classic case of the OP’s point). low range was a ball ache for me as I do quite a bit of long distance but I’m super motivated and for me it was worth it. But I 100% get that range like that is useless unless you are mostly city driving at which point the fuel savings more than pay for a few car hires for long trips.
2021, I bought a Tesla for 32k. (9 yrs of saving). 220m range, just over 100k on the clock and one of the old ones with free charging for the life of the car so my variable cost of ownership so far has been £75 for a minor repair and I’ve paid about £20 total for the odd top up at home. I’ve travelled 11k miles for under £100. The old Teslas are aluminium bodies, and I checked with 2 local body shops that they would do body repairs on Aly, so I’ve effectively got a car for life barring me wrapping it round a tree. I’ll save for a battery replacement which will be 22k but will put it up to 350m+range. There’s no sign of problems with the battery yet, it’s guaranteed for another 50k miles so free replacement if it fails soon and I’m saving about 2kpa in no fuel cost towards it. There’s a few 1million mile Tesla’s out there now and I’d like mine to be one of them in time. It’s not a cheap car, so for me the total cost of ownership will be higher than I’m used to, but its way cheaper than cars in its field. It’s a dream to drive with the “self driving” that’s no where near that yet obviously but gets better every month. I just “drove” to Hungary and back 3k miles travelled, of which I actually drove about 250 and just acted as driving instructor/babysitter for the car for the rest.
There are enough Tesla chargers everywhere this side of Turkey for almost all demand and they are building new ones at a massive rate. The same can’t be said for others!
My other half has just got a small ev and literally couldn’t find an empty fast charger on a recent trip. Other than that, there has been no problem with 2 EVs in the house; it’s cheap, relaxing to drive and 99.9% of the time takes 2 seconds to charge, get home, plug in, walk away. It’s preset on a timer and starts charging on cheap overnight electricity…
That’s the other worry I forgot to address in my essay of a post before, the “what happens when everyone gets home and plugs in” in reality, they use the electric that needs using at night, in fact the trial of EVs selling power back to the grid to support the 5.30-7.30pm demand, reducing the need for peaker plant generation went so well, it’s being rolled out now so the opposite will be the case.
Overall I’d not change back ever, my old car went to a friend who does very low milage and keeps it under a porch, the best case scenario of keeping on using an already built vehicle while minimising the pollution. I hope my Tesla will see me out and
I hope many more people look into a used EV as the risk with older cars of buying a lemon is far less of an issue as there’s so much less wear and tear of expensive bits!
https://www.hybridvelo.co.uk/product-page/20-inch-geared-electric-lithium-battery-bicycleGood Quality + Excellent 48v//15mph Performance + UK Road Legal + No Tax + No Insurance + No MOT & BEST PRICE TOO !Interesting little vehicle (looks remarkably like a grasshopper from the front), probably killed by the batteries of the day and massive cost of low volume production. We desperately need incentives to get things like this into general use and bring the costs down to where the average person can not only afford them but saves money in the process. It's a bit like seat belts, everyone knew they should use them but usage hovered around 10 - 15% because we all know we are good drivers and other people have accidents, a fifty pound fine people believed in and usage reach 90%, massive cut to death and serious injury on the roads.
People are going to hate this idea but if all new drivers were limited to vehicles with 2 seats and performance like the car I started this thread with we would soon have low cost minimalist vehicles on the roads. I don't like laws that are inflexible, if it was down to me rules like that would be the basic assumption but people would be able to apply for exemptions, ie. young mum with two kids needs a four seater. Same principle all new houses should be assumed to have some form of renewable energy supply and rain water harvesting, there will be instances where that doesn't make sense, if your roof is in shadow or the local infrastructure cannot cope with the added generation the builder should be able to apply for an exemption license.
Can I ask what e-bikes you have.
The Hybrid-Velo above has an Approximate Total Range of 40 Miles, depending upon Terrain & Loading.https://www.hybridvelo.co.uk/product-page/20-inch-geared-electric-lithium-battery-bicycleGood Quality + Excellent 48v//15mph Performance + UK Road Legal + No Tax + No Insurance + No MOT & BEST PRICE TOO !
( Helpful English Language Correction = "gotten used to" should be = Become Accustomed To or Become used to.)I understand. A rugged design which you have gotten used to and know how to get the best out of. Hard to beat.
I would not change my 50 years old tractor for an brand new one even if someone was foolish enough to make the offer.
That opinion is based upon your personal misunderstanding of the true etymology of the verb 'To Get'. The past participle of 'Get' (gotten) originally came from the middle English 'geten' and used to be prefered in British English. The fact that the 'left-pondians' still use it simply means that they (as usual) don't 'keep up' with language mutation.( Helpful English Language Correction = "gotten used to" should be = Become Accustomed To or Become used to.)
Gotten is one of those Vile American inaccuracies !
Petrol cars catch fire too.I think a major concern with EV's is the fire risk, watching a program where a transporter with EV's on board just caught fire due to a fault in one of them and the firebrigade had a real problem putting it out to the point where they took one away and submerged it in a large skip full of water to prevent re ignition. At the moment you see the firebrigade cutting people out of cars involved in collisions but maybe with EV's there will not be sufficient time and the occupant will just be cremated at the scene, just thinking of the damage a laptop can cause when it ignites is bad but multiply this to a car and you ahve bigger issues and I can see why many recovery firms won't touch them.
The old air cooled VW type 2 were well know for the fuel pipe connector coming out of the carburetor body I narrowly avoided a fire in one.Petrol cars catch fire too.
There is a big difference in petrol and lithium, petrol can be starved of oxygen but lithium being self oxidising means traditional foam does not work, you need to reduce the temperature below it's ignition point of around 500° C and submerge in water which is not always easy, they are like an incendiary device.Petrol cars catch fire too.
Horses for courses?For running on animal fat I rekon a hot bulb engine will be more appropriate. The problem being that hot bulb engines and spare parts for them are in short supply theese days and that unlike the aforementioned Perkins diesels few hot bulb engines have reliable governors.
Woodgas would be another option. A modern downdraft wood gasifyer can be home built and the common VolvoB20 engine has been proven to run well on woodgas though at only about half it's rated horsepowers. Unfortunately this motor also lacks a governor. Another problem being that motorways must be equipped with a standstill lane where electic cars can stop any time to clear out blockages and rake out ash from the wood gasifiers that feed the combustion engines that power the generators that feed the electric motors.
Do you mean it costs zero or they do zero?Perhaps someone could explain this zero servicing costs of an ev to me.
They still have brakes, tyres, suspension and steering which you cannot just ignore and there must be EV specific components that need checking so there will be cost involved, maybe not engine oil and filter but still there will be something.Perhaps someone could explain this zero servicing costs of an ev to me.
Tyres suspension and servicing will be the same like for like, brakes will be reduced due to regenerative braking, oil and filters won't be required obviously!They still have brakes, tyres, suspension and steering which you cannot just ignore and there must be EV specific components that need checking so there will be cost involved, maybe not engine oil and filter but still there will be something.
Kinell ! That's me told.That opinion is based upon your personal misunderstanding of the true etymology of the verb 'To Get'. The past participle of 'Get' (gotten) originally came from the middle English 'geten' and used to be prefered in British English. The fact that the 'left-pondians' still use it simply means that they (as usual) don't 'keep up' with language mutation.
...and why you consider that invective a suitable means of comunicating your opinion is difficult to fathom.
Electrics and tech go wrong on a regular basis, sensor failure for example is an mot fail, diagnostics currently cost anything from £75 to £150 a pop on vehicles and I don't believe for one second that EVs will be immune to that. Dealers will find even more "clever" expensive ways of making you part with your cash, they do after all need to make profit and stay in business, remember those free coffees and biscuits at a main dealer aren't free at all.Tyres suspension and servicing will be the same like for like, brakes will be reduced due to regenerative braking, oil and filters won't be required obviously!
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