Double cranked brass hinges?

[Lord Nibbo]

I've been googling for double cranked brass hinges. Screw fix do them electro plated but I would have prefered solid brass, are they available in solid brass? I cant find any!

 

[wrightclan]

I was kooking for some awhile back, and couldn't find any either. I was going to use them for glazed doors and thought the screwfix ones looked a bit flimsy. Ended up using an American style hinge.

Brad

 

[Keith Smith]

The brassed cranked hinges are pretty lightweight and I don't think they would have any strength in solid brass. Double cranked "stormproof" hinges are available though.

Door Furniture Direct

 

[Lord Nibbo]

The brassed cranked hinges are pretty lightweight and I don't think they would have any strength in solid brass. Double cranked "stormproof" hinges are available though.

Door Furniture Direct

Thanks for the link Keith but storm proof are only (single) cranked which, my project needs double cranked as supplied by screwfix, but the quality just ain't good enough.

 

[wrightclan]

How about something like this?

Slightly different style than a UK double cranked, but works on the same principle. I don't think it's solid brass, but certainly looks much better than the rubbish from Screwfix. Of course you would have to order from the U.S. They have several different styles, finishes and types(such as self-closing) of hinges for inset or partial inset(rebated) doors. I'm quite sure Rockler does too.

Brad

 

[Keith Smith]

I've had a good look through my catalogues and can't find any in solid brass double cranked available in this country.

The double cranked hinges as sold by S/Fix look lightweight but I used four of them to fix a 2000x600x18mm MDF door, five years later and lots of use and it is still going strong.

If you want something smarter although not exactly the same Hafele do a cranked hinge which may suit you, but their site is down at the moment so I can't link to it.

It's part number 351.99.101

 

[Lord Nibbo]

How about something like this?

Slightly different style than a UK double cranked, but works on the same principle. I don't think it's solid brass, but certainly looks much better than the rubbish from Screwfix. Of course you would have to order from the U.S. They have several different styles, finishes and types(such as self-closing) of hinges for inset or partial inset(rebated) doors. I'm quite sure Rockler does too.

Brad

Thanks for the link Brad but It looks like I will have to rethink about how to get around the problem. I might do a drawing using Sketchup and see if anyone can come up with a suggestion.

 

[Lord Nibbo]

I've had a good look through my catalogues and can't find any in solid brass double cranked available in this country.

The double cranked hinges as sold by S/Fix look lightweight but I used four of them to fix a 2000x600x18mm MDF door, five years later and lots of use and it is still going strong.

If you want something smarter although not exactly the same Hafele do a cranked hinge which may suit you, but their site is down at the moment so I can't link to it.

It's part number 351.99.101

Many thanks for taking the time to look Keith. I cant get into the Hafele site either, maybe I'll try later.

 

[Lord Nibbo]

Ok here is a design pic of the unit I'm planning

The higher bigger panel is the drop down door, the lower panel is a draw front. Both panels are 3/4" thick and both are recessed in one inch from the front. There is a 1/2" gap at each edge.

the shelf is one inch thick and this diagramme shows why I need Double Cranked hinges

Can anyone come up with any ideas other than using crap Screwfix plated hinges?

 

[Keith Smith]

I don't think the screwfix hinges would be an option for what you have in mind, I doubt they would be strong enough.

You could use a concealed hinge with exposed axle, but it's not going to be very concealed once you open the panel.


This may be a better bet

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[wrightclan]

Ok here is a design pic of the unit I'm planning

The higher bigger panel is the drop down door, the lower panel is a draw front. Both panels are 3/4" thick and both are recessed in one inch from the front. There is a 1/2" gap at each edge.

the shelf is one inch thick and this diagramme shows why I need Double Cranked hinges

Can anyone come up with any ideas other than using crap Screwfix plated hinges?

Just getting a Red 'X'. :roll:

Brad

 

[tim]

Would this kind of hinge be okay aesthetically? Certainly will do want you need it to.

Cheers

Tim

 

[Lord Nibbo]

I don't think the screwfix hinges would be an option for what you have in mind, I doubt they would be strong enough.

You could use a concealed hinge with exposed axle, but it's not going to be very concealed once you open the panel.


This may be a better bet

Edit; With the links you need to click, press register as a guest then click the link again to access.

Concealed hinges are out Keith, just to plain ugly and the sliding door type wont work because the door must be bigger than the opening.

 

[Lord Nibbo]

Would this kind of hinge be okay aesthetically? Certainly will do want you need it to.

Cheers

Tim

I already have some similar but brass & brown plastic, but when fitted you can see the edges of the hinge

 

[Jake]

Can you rebate normal hinges into the shelf - it is plenty thick enough. Then fill back over the rebates.

 

[Lord Nibbo]

Can you rebate normal hinges into the shelf - it is plenty thick enough. Then fill back over the rebates.

Yes I can and would do rebates thats why I would have preferred solid brass hinges, but the problem is where the fulcrum of the hinge needs to be as the lower edge of the door is below the top of the shelf.

 

[Jake]

I mean deep rebates in the shelf so that the pin is below the bottom of the door and the shelf part of the hinge is rebated to depth of the overlap - the advantage of your thick shelf being that it still leaves 3/4 of inch of meat (well, wood, actually, I hope) under the hinge.

IIII
IIII
IIII|.____________
IIII|.XXXX
.....oXXXX
.......|
.......|
.......|
.......|___________

If the above ASCII junk means anything - the Xs being the deep rebate, then covered back over with a wood insert. The Is being the door, and the |s, underlined Xs and the o being the hinge.

Ignore the full stops, spaces don't work not even hard ones.

 

[Lord Nibbo]

I understand your drawing Jake, but I think the door when open would hit the draw front.

 

[Keith Smith]

Have I got it right that you want the panel to open 180 degrees and cantilever out so that, when open ,it rests in front of the drawer?

Or are you happy to have it projecting out at 90 degrees as per Tim's hinge?

 

[Jake]

I understand your drawing Jake, but I think the door when open would hit the draw front.

Yep, good point.
Unless you use gert big ugly door hinges which would stick out far enough to get the pin and outer leaf on the outside of the door (which would look damn ugly anyway), you'd have to mess with some or all of door thicknesses, radiuses/chamfers and the size of the gap. Oh well.

Maybe there are double stay hinges for this kind of arrangement, which would pivot the bottom of the door up and back as well as the top forward?