Domino joints for chairs?

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crackerjack

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Hi guys

Gonna make some chairs soon. Standard dining room kind of thing.

Is the Festool domino jointing system okay for this or should I be looking at haunched M&T for the leg/upper rail joints?

Jack
 
According to Festool its brilliant at chairs and having only had my domino system for the past 3 weeks I can already see why. Just as strong as a normal mortice and tenon but with the added advantage of not having to make compound tenons.
 
Jack,

do it properly, and take pride in that. Think of the guy restoring it in a hundred years time.......what will he think? Are you proud enough of your work to put your name on it? When you sit on it you will always know that you did it properly and with pride. Forget the faddy domino.

Mike
 
I think doing it properly can include the use of the domino you will get strong well fitting joints and as you are likely to have a few angled joints a lot easier as well. Having well fitted corner blocks also adds a lot of strength to the chair as well and combined with the dominos should be fine for the top rail joints and result in a chair you can be proud of.


cheers

jon
 
Mike Garnham":3kp3hsbs said:
Jack,

do it properly, and take pride in that. Think of the guy restoring it in a hundred years time.......what will he think? Are you proud enough of your work to put your name on it? When you sit on it you will always know that you did it properly and with pride. Forget the faddy domino.

Mike

Mike,

The last chair I restored was a 1930's drop-in seat affair, mass-produced and joined with dowels. All the joints were loose of course, but it had withstood a lot of misuse in it's wobbly-state! All that was required was a dismantling, cleaning up and the replacing of three dowels. I did consider making slip-tenons to replace the dowels, but I reckoned the dowels would suffice. They did.

And Malcolm... The 10mm dowels I used to replace the broken ones were going to be better than the 3/8" ones that were there. Thinking back, I should have replaced them all!

Regards
John
:) :D
 
Why is a loose tenon any less a proper joint than a standard tenon joint?

Would cutting 2 mortises buy hand & fitting a hand cut loose tenon make it a proper joint?


Why should some ones pride in something they make be affected by some one else`s expectations.


Jack, make your chairs with whichever techniques you wish, i`m sure as a domino will be quite suffice.

Take pride in what you produce, i`m sure you will. But most of all enjoy your woodwork, that`s what it`s all about.

Best of luck with the chairs.
 
Doug B":3ait4jpj said:
Why is a loose tenon any less a proper joint than a standard tenon joint?

And its only a loose tenon if you set it as loose tenon on the tool otherwise it will probably be as tight as the best hand cut tenons.
 
Making chairs in one big reason I intend to buy a Domino.
 
Mike Garnham":11mn1ucv said:
Jack,

do it properly, and take pride in that. Think of the guy restoring it in a hundred years time.......what will he think? Are you proud enough of your work to put your name on it? When you sit on it you will always know that you did it properly and with pride. Forget the faddy domino.

Mike

Could be the start of another great debate Mike! Prithee - what is "proper"?

Fit for purpose, in the tradition of xxxxx (fill in the blanks here), handmade by virgins in Japan, made with the latest glue from Titebond or animal glue extracted from the scrotum of a Yeti?


You get the drift..
 
Mike Garnham":2oidsa51 said:
Jack,

do it properly, and take pride in that. Think of the guy restoring it in a hundred years time.......what will he think? Are you proud enough of your work to put your name on it? When you sit on it you will always know that you did it properly and with pride. Forget the faddy domino.

Mike
I think you're wrong here Mike...doms is proper for this sort of job and if it's made correctly, it won't need restoring in a hundred years time. The dom simply replaces a m/t or dowel joint, thats all - Rob
 
waterhead37":19esmgcs said:
Mike Garnham":19esmgcs said:
Jack,

do it properly, and take pride in that. Think of the guy restoring it in a hundred years time.......what will he think? Are you proud enough of your work to put your name on it? When you sit on it you will always know that you did it properly and with pride. Forget the faddy domino.

Mike

Could be the start of another great debate Mike! Prithee - what is "proper"?

Fit for purpose, in the tradition of xxxxx (fill in the blanks here), handmade by virgins in Japan, made with the latest glue from Titebond or animal glue extracted from the scrotum of a Yeti?


You get the drift..

The Japanese Virgins would probably use rice glue. Then what is left over at the end of the day can be eaten for tea!

John :)
 
woodbloke":23hlpyz3 said:
The dom simply replaces a m/t or dowel joint, thats all - Rob

Rob, this is philosophical for me.

I haven't the least doubt that these new fangled domino loose tenons are the most wonderful thing on the planet, and will make an incredibly strong chair. That really isn't the point. They might only replace the m&t or the dowel in your eyes........in mine, they replace the craft.

I don't do woodworking just to cut bits of wood to length and assemble them. I enjoy the craft, the skill, the thinking, the problem solving. I just think that there is no honesty in a piece of furniture made by a hobbyist.......I repeat, a hobbyist, that doesn't involve craft.

Wang all the bits of wood through a few machines, hack them off to to length and offer up an instant-joint-machine if you want. Fine. We'll all ask what sort of finish was used and offer congratulations on the nice tapered legs. But isn't the whole point to occupy ourselves meaningfully until we die, and to do what we do with a bit of integrity?

I can afford to go out and buy something from every single page in the Axminster catalogue. But where would that leave me? My hobby wouldn't be about the wood any more, nor about the finished piece of furniture.......my hobby would be all about feeding machines, or using the special one-off hand-tool made by 300 year old goblins. I actually don't care very much about tools, as long as they are sharp. I care about craft, about skills and about knowledge. I care about wood and I care about design.

Why make an easy piece of woodwork easier? I'm just not in that sort of a rush......Remember, at the moment I am not a professional woodworker........if I were it would be an entirely different kettle of fish. If I want loose tenons I make them. I don't buy them in a plastic box and install them into a hole cut by a £500 machine using all the skill of someone who can hold a power tool up to a line. When we've let a machine de-skill that process for us, what are we going to give up to machines next?

Now, you have to understand that I am not anti-machine, nor am I accusing anyone who uses machines in general or a domino in particular of being unskillful. I didn't use any machinery at all until 2 or 3 years ago, and now really enjoy the PT and bandsaw. I'll get a tablesaw one day when I have the room. But I view these as labour saving devices rather than skill-replacing devices. Skills and outcome are my interest..........craft and design.

If I was paying a pro to build me some fitted furniture I would hope that he would actually be using a domino so that he could save himself some time and therefore me some money.........but when I do woodwork for the fun of it, I'm damned if I'm going to have one, or apologise for suggesting that we might feel better about a piece of furniture made without one.

Rob, none of the "you"s in this piece should be read as you. I should have written in the abstract "one"......"one can do this or that", but it will take too much re-writing now. I don't hold these dominos and all the other shiny things you guys gloat about against the owners, but do hope you understand that they fall outside my area of interest, and outside my philosophy of woodwork.

Right, there it is folks. Rip me to bits........

Mike
 
Mike Garnham":owj665eh said:
....Right, there it is folks. Rip me to bits........

Mike


Mike, I think that what you say is spot on - you have to meet your own needs for what you want from a hobby. For some, it's the creation of a piece, for others it's how we create it. In a funny sort of way they are at odds with each other as demonstrated in this thread. Surely though the most important part, which you alluded to is that we enjoy it?
 
The fact is Mike, I don't think we can rip you to bits.
Your philosophy is a good one.

As someone on the forum says,

Say what you feel ... Them as mind don't matter... Them as matter don't mind!

John :)
 
I don't disagree with you Mike. But if I want to make 8 chairs for a dining table, there's plenty of proper woodworking that I can do in the shaping of the parts. A few M&T's are fine, but 8 chairs worth doesn't sound enjoyable to me.
 
Mike, Made with a Festool Domino:

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