Cyclist good or bad ( Poll )

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Cyclist !!!!!

  • Cyclist can do what they want

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • Cyclist should abide by the rules of the road

    Votes: 27 90.0%
  • Cyclist should pay Tax Insurance and a yearly MOT

    Votes: 10 33.3%
  • Cyclist should be banned from busy town centers

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • NO Comment I am one of the Cyclist and keeping quiet

    Votes: 5 16.7%

  • Total voters
    30
  • Poll closed .
Blister":rtgb602g said:
They have NO road tax
They have NO insurance
They have NO MOT
I think we dealt with all this usque ad nauseam in the last cyclist thread (and no doubt others too)?

and very little in the way of maintenance costs
A joke, I presume? We are free to choose between a vehicle with high maintenance costs (eg. a Porsche) or one with comparatively low costs (eg. a bicycle: even then not as cheap as some may assume).

I drive a car as well as cycle and like most other car drivers, can find plenty to complain about concerning the conduct of lorry drivers. Still, that's off subject - perhaps we need a thread devoted to the issue. :wink:
 
Jacob":16brqivw said:
Most of the roads of Britain weren't designed for them.
Exactly so. The suggestion that cyclists should pay Road Tax is also a non-starter. Cyclists don't actually need roads as such, unlike Cars, Lorries etc. if there were none it wouldn't really matter to them or stop them from using their Cycles.

Yes, I know Road Tax doesn't actually get spent on Roads.
 
Sawyer":2ekaqvqe said:
Blister":2ekaqvqe said:
They have NO road tax
They have NO insurance
They have NO MOT
I think we dealt with all this usque ad nauseam in the last cyclist thread (and no doubt others too)?

and very little in the way of maintenance costs
A joke, I presume? We are free to choose between a vehicle with high maintenance costs (eg. a Porsche) or one with comparatively low costs (eg. a bicycle: even then not as cheap as some may assume).

I drive a car as well as cycle and like most other car drivers, can find plenty to complain about concerning the conduct of lorry drivers. Still, that's off subject - perhaps we need a thread devoted to the issue. :wink:

A poll about shuting this poll down before it gets personal would be a good idea :lol:

Cheers

Mike
 
barkwindjammer":67m6nh7m said:
Yeah Harry had a great weekend, so this depot its on the left from this junction yeah ?, ok, fekkin lights, right here we go, hold on Harry can hardly hear you, there's a slight scraping sound coming from the front of the unit

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8574600.stm

You seem to have a very jaundiced view of HGV drivers and assume that they are all bad - which clearly is nonsense. Just as there are bad drivers - HGV or otherwise - so too are there bad cyclists. So it comes down to personal experience...

1) How many times have I - either in the car or as a pedestrian - been cut up, inconvenienced, knocked down, injured by an HGV driver? Answer - None

2) How many times have I been nearly knocked down by a cyclist on the pavement ? Answer - 4

3) How many times have I been nearly knocked down by a cyclist crossing against the red traffic light ? Answer - 3

4) How many times have I been nearly knocked down by a cyclist going the wrong way down a one-way street ? Answer - 2

5) How many times have I seen (2) to (4) happen to other people? Too many to count.

I rest my case.
 
But this makes interesting viewing

Cyclist can do what they want 0% 0% [ 0 ]
Cyclist should abide by the rules of the road 61% 61% [ 22 ]
Cyclist should pay Tax Insurance and a yearly MOT 22% 22% [ 8 ]
Cyclist should be banned from busy town centers 6% 6% [ 2 ]
NO Comment I am one of the Cyclist and keeping quiet 11% 11% [ 4 ]

So , cyclist please abide by the rules :mrgreen: Thanks :wink:
 
Some cyclists are idiots Roger, true, but in the vast majority of cases no harm comes from their transgressions. An HGV driver overtaking my mate when we were kids who misjudged the width of his oversize load knocked him off without even knowing and left him bleeding at the side of the (straight) road. A little perspective perhaps and less of the Daily Mail forehead vein popping
 
Blister":jebalqgo said:
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So , cyclist please abide by the rules ..
We will. Most of us do. Vehicle drivers are the biggest offenders.
And HGV drivers, please drive carefully and bear in mind that many other people share the road. Some of those irritating cyclists might be HGV drivers too, or the children thereof.
And drivers in general - please bear in mind that more bikes on the road means more parking spaces available for Jeremy Clarkson fans. :lol: :lol:

PS just had a nice afternoon out on me bike. Got rained on a bit but the sun came out later. Lots of happy people pedaling about in all directions. You ought to get on a bike Blister - you can't beat us, you might as well join us.
 
I was out on mine today, lovely.
Meet Godzuki Son of Godzilla.
This one does get noticed on the open road.
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This my downhill bike.
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I have a fleet of quite a few bikes and use some of them on my commute to work.
I have the option of 10 miles of bridleways and river banks when the weather permits, or a similar distance along singletrack lanes.
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This is what commuting in minus 12c looks like. Note, my beard is not white, it is ice crystals.

I also have a motorbike, which I use to get to work if I am late or it is raining.

The lack of tolerance of some motorists towards cyclists would be hilarious if it wasn't so dangerous.

Chunko'.
 

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RogerS":1ctye6yu said:
You seem to have a very jaundiced view of HGV drivers and assume that they are all bad - which clearly is nonsense.

To you it might seem like I have, but I dont.
This thread was started by an HGV driver and his view on cyclists, in my posts I have tried to turn the tables-a 'counter view' on the ludicrous fact that it is the cyclist who deserves most patience, attention and yes even courtesy as they are at the top of the 'squashy factor' table, whereas, the HGV is at the bottom, with all the other road vehicles placed in between if there was such a table.

We are all road users, and will, on a daily basis pass judgement on other road users for one reason or another-Judge not lest ye be judged Rodger

in one of my posts I made a guess at 'timings', ask yourself -how long does this nuisance (cyclist, mobility scooter, kids crossing at a junction, decrepit old witch, visitor to your 'patch' driving a rover, etc etc) keep me off MY agenda, well you can give it a go-starting from Monday, look at a wristwatch, the clock on your dash, the clock on your radio, the clock on the mobile phone your using at that precise moment-while driving,,,,,,and count
 
I'm very happy with the success of the ride-to-work scheme at work, lots of people on expensive new bikes, lots of space in the car park for my van :)
 
Not read all this thread but I say cyclists should need a theory past certificate before allowed to ride on public property.

I watched two the other day approach a very busy and hectic island. The cars had stopped to give way to traffic on there right as you should. Not these two. No hand signals, in the wrong lane for the turning they was taking, didn't appear to look and didn't even slow down, just rode across the path of cars that have right of way and continued around the island. I almost wished them to get hit to teach the stupid idiots a lesson. They was old enough to know better.

You know most cyclists that don't hold a driving license will have never even glanced at the highway code. Forcing cyclists to pass a theory test will at least educate them that generally don't realise that you give way to the right when at round abouts, HGV drivers have blind spots and them lines on the road are not to ride on.

I have nothing against cyclists or drivers. Myself have been hit by a speeding bus while on a bicycle and while driving I have had cyclists get in my way. Infact it was only today I shouted at a cyclist because he was cycling into oncoming traffic on a very busy 40mph road and I don't mean he had crossed the white line I mean he was between cars and pavement closet to my passenger door.
 
studders":20xaea7r said:
Cyclist can do what they want.... Pointless option. No one can do just as they please.
Cyclist should abide by the rules of the road...... Applies to all road users
Cyclist should pay Tax Insurance and a yearly MOT.... Maybe a case for some form of insurance, invalid if cycle is unroadworthy
Cyclist should be banned from busy town centers..... Nope, but Cars and Large Lorries should be during daytime hours.
NO Comment I am one of the Cyclist and keeping quiet... I'm a Cyclist and I find all road users are not as good as they should be, Me included. When any one group of users are perfect then they can criticise others without being hypercritical.

I agree with Studders and also the point made by Rog S in that cyclists should never, ever come up the inside of an HGV or bus, 'specially if it's turning left, though I've started to see signs now on the back of some big lorries specifically telling cyclists not to go up the inside - Rob
 
Blister":o0jtn15p said:
As we had a recent post about Cyclist abuse , just out of interest I thought it was time for a POLL :mrgreen:

My personal view on Cyclist is not very positive

I drive a HGV lorry for a living and have to endure Cyclist :(

Why do they assume the law does not apply to them ?

They have NO road tax
They have NO insurance
They have NO MOT
and very little in the way of maintenance costs

But in my opinion they think they OWN the roads

Come to red Traffic light and what happens , they ride straight through , not just the odd one but loads
I am amazes at the lack of law abiding Cyclist

If I am in my HGV and signaling a left turn they STILL ride up the inside of the truck , UNBELIEVABLE :evil:

But the the government GIVE them a lane all to there selves , be it shared with a bus / taxi or even a dedicated Cyclist route :shock: all for FREE

They swerve all over the road and in and out of the traffic as they do not want to queue like anyone else in vehicles and get away with murder :shock:

And whats with the uniform most ware ? looks like they are entering a bike race with full Lycra kit and they are on the way home from the office :roll:

I have a cycle myself but must be from a different planet as I stop at lights and crossing for other road users :mrgreen:

Cyclist rant over

And if you are a law abiding Cyclist well done and thanks

now to the poll

In the 60s, I had to cycle to work.

One afternoon, on my way to do my shift, I was stationary at traffic-lights, no other traffic near me, and near the curb on a cross roads. I was intending to go straight on. With the lights still on red, a heavy goods vehicle pulled up alongside me. The lights changed to green; the driver immediately pulled away. With no signal he turned left, straight across my path, forcing me to turn left too. In fact, to avoid being killed, I had to bump my bike up onto the pavement.
The driver I assumed was totally blind, because he had plenty of time to see me, as he had approached the lights. Unless he did see me and then had a memory lapse.

I survived without a scratch, but I saw to it that the driver lost his licence, and presumably his job.

I was extremely lucky on that day, but it goes to show, there be good and bad everywhere.

I have attended more than one fatal collision between cyclists and HGVs. Usually it was because the cyclist didn't realise he/she was in the driver's blind-spot, but in one case, the driver had been witnessed, overtaking the cyclist and turning left, right across the cyclist's path. I won't describe any further.
During the interview, the driver was in floods of tears. Doesn't help though does it? One moment's carelessness and you can take a life, and ruin your own, because nothing brings back the dead.

As I said there are good and bad everywhere., A pedal cycle is a vehicle, and cyclists should be and are accountable under the Road Traffic Act. The problem is there are no Police Officers about these days who can enforce, so because cyclists can get away with it, they 'run' red lights. Not if I saw them they didn't. :twisted:

As for the No Tax, No Insurance question, real cyclists take out third party insurance for themselves and their bikes; voluntarily.
No Tax? Well that's one of the perks.

The cyclists you need to watch out for are the idiots, the erratic, the unskilled, and kids. Yes, I have seen some of the latter bleeding their lives away on the tarmac too. Enough to last me a lifetime thanks.

A Motor Vehicle, especially an HGV is a potential killing machine. That's why you were trained, tried and tested before they allowed you to drive one on the roads.

Yes the same should apply to cyclists, but in effect it doesn't... So, until it does, look out for them and expect them to be idiotic or inexperienced and make allowances for it.

Retired Officer's rant over!


John
 
Benchwayze":3n9z9wrs said:
.... the driver had been witnessed, overtaking the cyclist and turning left, right across the cyclist's path. ....
John
One big problem for cyclists is that drivers simply don't seem to see them. This is part of the reason for odd cycling behaviour at islands and junctions. Doing the proper thing - queuing in an orderly fashion, staying firmly in the middle of the correct lane etc, ends up being extremely dangerous for the cyclist, with aggressive/blind motorists behind them and on both sides.
Hence some of the deviant behaviour - it's just playing safe, in spite of appearances.
 
True Jacob,

Although, I don't cycle these days, I can't blame a cyclist for wanting to ride on the footway, even if that isn't always entirely safe; for pedestrians or cyclists!
I don't know what the answer is. But if cyclists wish to have special paths where they will be safe, then one way or another, the paths have to be paid for. Maybe a Cycle Tax for cycles of a certain size, and riders of a certain age should apply. Where I live though, I fear there would be a huge number of untaxed cycles whizzing around, willy-nilly! Especilly around Christmas time.

John
 
Jacob":31bmmxbj said:
Benchwayze":31bmmxbj said:
.... the driver had been witnessed, overtaking the cyclist and turning left, right across the cyclist's path. ....
John
One big problem for cyclists is that drivers simply don't seem to see them. This is part of the reason for odd cycling behaviour at islands and junctions. Doing the proper thing - queuing in an orderly fashion, staying firmly in the middle of the correct lane etc, ends up being extremely dangerous for the cyclist, with aggressive/blind motorists behind them and on both sides.
Hence some of the deviant behaviour - it's just playing safe, in spite of appearances.
Again, a good point. Even when cyclists wear a hi-viz yellow riding jacket, other road users just don't seem to see us. A while ago, I was cycling home from work and a lady skimmed by me, missing me by around a foot or so. She then proceeded to turn into a car park about 50m ahead. I promptly followed her and politely enquired :roll: of her 'which part of my hi-viz jacket she failed to see?'
She was mortified and I felt a lot better, but it probably didn't do any good - Rob
 
Benchwayze":5mj7prrc said:
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I don't know what the answer is.
Copenhagenize!
But if cyclists wish to have special paths where they will be safe, then one way or another, the paths have to be paid for. Maybe a Cycle Tax for cycles of a certain size, and riders of a certain age should apply. ....
Then tax for pedestrians, pram pushers, extra for twin buggies, wheel barrows?
 
Benchwayze":3aori0ez said:
There's argument, there's debate and then there is the ridiculous!
Come on Jacob... be sensible please?

John
Pavements, zebra crossings, footbridges, don't grow on trees you know!
Cyclists requirements are similar (shared?) and would also take traffic off the roads.
We are just years behind other places. Have a look at that Copenhagen link.

What about slot-meters on zebra crossings?
Turn-stiles on footbridges?

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